Talk about putting the cart before the horse... already wanting a price to tag those unborn puppies with.

I can tell your doing for the love of the breed. Ugggg!

I'd say about $100. Definitely require that anyone who gets a pup has it spayed or neutered. I hope they all end up in loving forever homes.

I agree that you should not breed her again, and I can say that without falling into the "only I should be breeding" category because I have never bred a dog nor purchased one from a breeder.

Having a sweet, pretty dog is not reason enough to breed. I imagine most of us think our dogs are pretty. And a clean vet check does not constitute proper health testing before breeding. This is what a BYB is.

As far as people saying more than you asked for, my msg.#7 here>>> http://www.terrificpets.com/forum/22955.asp also applies to this thread.

***Edited By: shinyblackpit on 8/9/2005 2:16:38 AM***
Reason: asdfasdfasdf

I think the point people are making is that you don't breed a dog that even though looks pretty you have no idea what background it had! Even if people don't care about papers and don't want them you want to be sure the dog has good knees, good hips, eyes, bite and more. Getting all that testing done is costly esp for someone who is just breeding a dog because it looks healthy. I am sure you did not get all those tests done and if you did why in the world would you breed this dog? My vet looked at my dog and told me I could breed her if I wanted. That was with no tests done. A vet can let you know if your dog is healthy or not and normally a healthy dog would not have a problem having puppy's that does not make it right to breed though. That is the difference between a good breeder that does all the tests and gets a dog that is and has champion background - from a person that just breeds a dog because it looks healthy. Get a dog that has a good pedigree, that has all been dna'd, had the testing done, has won some awards etc, etc. The reason for this is you don't want to breed a bad example of the breed.
Listen at first this ticked me off when I heard this and I was told this about a dog I had. Everyone thinks their dog is the best and you should because it is to you, but that does not make it a prime canidate for breeding. This was really hard for me at first hearing this and I got really upset just like you. That shows that either you know you are wrong or maybe were not aware of what it all took to have puppy's its not just another dog there is a lot that goes into it. What were your reasons to breed? Did you have any other than, "oh I want some cute puppies from my beautiful dog" That is NOT a reason. This is why there are so many unwanted dogs.
Normally people that get really upset at someone for saying how they feel know deep down what they are doing is not right. You have to understand this is a forum and people can post what they think good or bad. (I hated that line at first) Do some research like I did and you will realize that not everyone on here is against you they just want you to have some knowledge about what you are doing and the risks you are taking just to make some pretty pups like yours.

***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 8/9/2005 8:52:01 AM***
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Mischievious Im with everyone else on this. ANy vet will tell you your dog is healthy to breed but that doesn't mean that it's suitable for breeding. and FYI about 90% (or more) of the people on this forum aren't breeders. Myself included. A lot of us DO have rescue dogs that we've gotten from the humane society or other rescues. Some of them are even purebred. If your dog doesn't have papers, there is no reason to breed it, especially with a breed that can have so many health problems like pomeranians.

If you love your dog, and want her the best chance to have healthy puppies, at the bare minimum both the stud dog and your dog should have had their eyes CERFed as normal, and their elbows and knees x-rayed and OFAed as normal as well. Pomeranians are also known to have problems with premature loss of teeth. As you don't seem to know beans about the genetic background of your dog, she could be carrying a variety of hidden genetic abnormalities that should have been checked for BEFORE breeding her. A mere cursory examination by a vet is not the same as having the eyes looked at by a canine opthamologist, or x-rayed and examined by orthopedic veterinarians.

Would you feel responsible if one of the puppy buyers later called you and said, "We had to put our puppy to sleep because she was diagnosed with crippling luxating patellas, and we couldn't afford to have the surgery to repair it." This is hereditary, and is one of the things that having your dog's limbs x-rayed would have checked for.

Or if a puppy buyer later called you and said, "My dog is blind with a hereditary condition my vet said she inherited from the stud dog or the mother of the puppies." You see where this is going?

For a responsible breeder, care goes far beyond just recieving $100 or whatever for the puppies and then never seeing them again.

BTW in our area, no breed wtihout papers goes for over $150.

To be honest I think you have gotten pretty nice treatment. I say this because usually people who breed for moronic reasons get a thorough tounge lashing. You have not. Maybe it's because I saw this thread late. Keep on breeding irresponsibly, we obviously don't have enough Pom's in the world. And your Baby is gorgeous I assume.

Face facts, like someone else said, you are an amateur breeder at best. The difference between you and a BYB is that you don't even know what to charge for your non-papered pups. At least they do. Leave the breeding to people who do it for responsible reasons. Sorry if this seems harsh but truth does in fact hurt some times.

Owning a dog, does not give you the right to breed. You CAN do it, but when you do and tell people on a pet website, do expect some harsh critisism.

Ps. I hope your dog and your pup's come out well. And that's the truth.