Ok here is the problem. On Wednesday I had to rush Lily(the mom) to the vet as she was in pain for two reasons 1 constipation and 2 left over placenta from the birth ,which is what I suspected. Anyways they gave her a shot of penicillin and is now on a higher dose of meds. for 10 days. She is feeling much better but doesn't want to much to do with the puppies which are just a little over 3 weeks old. She will go into the cage to do her diaper duties but once the puppies start trying to nurse she wants out of there.I usually have to force her to lay down so they can nurse and then it is only a few min. and she is up and out of there.What am I going to do ? Is it to early to start trying to get them to eat out of a bowl? She only has interest in them if we are showing interest in them I think they scare her as they are so hungry they just attack her when she is close enough. Please any advice would be great!!
I would think if you call your vet he could reccomend a liquid diet for the puppies that they usually car at a pet store. Your vet may even have some, he may also suggest putting some puppy food in it to get it real moist, it's best to give a call and ask. That's what some of my clients have done when their mom wasn't feeding either. Hope she is feeling better and will be more interested in a few days to continue feeding her babies. I bet they are getting big now. I just finished bathing and grooming both of mine. What a chore!! The cocker is great, but my little 10 year old shih tzu is just that a little S@#! Tzu. He hates his nails cut and to be dried and brushed.. Guess he can, after 10 years of it, he's tired... Anyhow, hope all goes well, hope you and your family have a nice Easter holiday.
Hi; Sorry to hear about your troubles, wish it could always be a smooth road. More years ago than I would care to admit to I bred and showed chows. One of my girls, Princess, a Mi-tu's Han Su Shang grandaughter developed a uterine infection at 3 weeks and we had to put her on an antibiotic which would have been toxic to the puppies. They all survived after force weaning but I sure wouldn't choose to do it. What I do with my little guys is to take whatever mom is eating (changing will cause the puppies to scour) soak it in hot water until it is soft, ad liquid (puppy formula of whatever kind you want to/have been using) and mix until the result is soupy (at first they need to be able to lap it up). Whatever works to get them to actually eat it, a little bit from the finger to the mouth.... If that doesn't work it's back to the bottle. This is where you really need that scale so that you can keep track of what the puppies weights are doing. All the best to you, and Happy Easter.
You can start offering them food but I am not sure they will be either willing or even able to eat the food. Most puppies are only just starting to show a small amount of interest in water or formula softened kibble at 4 weeks, and some aren't ready even then. And honestly, I only know about offering kibble foods to newborn puppies, nothing about how and what is the safest (if there *is* a safe way) to offer raw food to a puppy. Maybe processed hamburger/formula mash? I woulnd't even dare it honestly, because you want to be able to leave the raw food on the ground for them to free feed from, which is the best way to get them started on regular food, without having a huge concern about bacteria getting in the raw food when it is just sitting around. Not to mention keeping Lilly from eating it before they can. Some puppies may be ready to start nibbling (and that is all it will likely be at their age, nibbling) on regular food, some will not show any interest at all that early. The big problem is that puppies generally nurse until they are 5 or 6 weeks of age, any regular food they eat is almost supplemental. They still return to the mother a lot of the time for their nutrition from nursing. I guess you will have to stick to making Lily lay there long enough for them to nurse from her, but start offering softened food. And start supplemental feedings as well. It's possible that she just feels crappy and overwhelmed from the infections and the meds. I know at times I felt pretty crappy after having my kid, and I only had 1, not 6! SEe, all this stuff is why I have no interest in ever being a dog breeder, heh. Too many things can go wrong
Thanks guy's. I did go out today and baught puppy canned food and diluted it with condensed milk( I have decided not to do the raw feeding with them after all. As I stated before I was only going to do that if the buyers wanted me to and they have all told me they would be putting them on a dog food) ,anyways I tried one at a time feeding it to the puppies on a baby spoon I thought if they show no interest fine if so all the better and guess what everyone loved it and lapped it all up. They each got about a teaspoon each but what a mess!! and the nursing wasn't so agressive when Lily did go to them and they didn't stay on her to long either when they did nurse so I was very pleased . This evening we tried it again and this time put it on margarine lids with three puppies to each lid and they all had a ball and were very good at it I was very surprised!! I read somewhere on a site that some signs a female will show when she is ready to start weaning her pups is to sit up while they are nursing and then eventually she will only stand for them to nurse which is what she is doing . So since this is working out with them eating I guess I will be doing feedings 4 or 5 times a day OH the fun !!! (NOT) Tomorrow I start the water!!! Thanks again for the help
That sounds great! What kind of canned food do you have them on right now? I've heard that Chicken soup for the dog lover's soul has a canned variety that is very very good. But I'm glad that they'll all eat! I"m sure they'll still want the comfort of nursing from their mommy but hopefully it makes things a lot less stressful for Lily as they learn to adjust!
hi, i'm so glad to hear your puppies are eating well. i was going to suggest you try them on jar chicken baby food. that's what my vet had told me when trying to wean a littler on bostons. also i have found canned dog food and warm milk works great. i have weaned puppies at three weeks old before,so it's not too early. good luck.
Lisa --- Hope Lily is doing better. Glad the pups are taking to the food. Just stick with it, the mom's get tired pretty quickly when there are so many very hungry pups. Daisy DID sit up, then stand up. My pups are 5 weeks old now, and she hasen't let them nurse for several days. The first day she decicded this, was the first day the pups ate their "mush" really well. The were hungry, and ate it right up. Now when I come with the dish...they are all over me. They know their tummies will soon be full. I had to put a bit on my finger for a few of the pups the first few times...but now they are naturals. Please keep us updated !!
Well we ended up rushing Lily back into the emergency department for the vet last night as she started vomiting and trembling , and having a hard time breathing . Scared the you know what out of us. They took xrays and at first it looked like her uterus was infected and they were going to have to do a emergency spayed on her but they wanted to do another xray first and it showed her uterus was fine but her colon was full of air!! She also had eclampsia too. Her colon was full of air as she likes to gulp her food and because she was in pain because of the eclampsia she was taking in to much air too and trembling because of the lack of calcium. While she was in there her temp. went up to 106 degrees they had to ice her and push the fluids after a couple of hours she was doing better. They also gave her a dose of calcium and we got her home at 7am this morning. She is doing much better and at 3pm we are taking her for another calcium count to see how it is coming and we have to giver her tums for a few days and then in a few weeks get her checked again. Oh the fun and the $$$$$$ Puppies are doing great on their food .We have them on Pedigree puppy diluted with warm water and they love it. We feed them last night at 10pm and they never woke up until 7am this morning !! So no more mommy for them until they are completly weaned and Lily's milk dries up. She doesn't seem to interested in them anyway's . She goes over to their cage and looks at them but that's it so I guess I am the mom now. Oh the fun I don't think we will be breeding again or if we do the calcium will be checked before after and during the whole process. It was the whole raw diet thing that got her in this mess as she isn't a bone eater she had no way of producing the calcium her body needed so she is on the dog food for good now and after Ben finishes the food I have in the freezer he will be too. I guess we all learn from our mistakes . I will keep ya posted on how things go .Lisa
Hello, I am happy to help with whatever problems. For constipation, I suggest dipping your dog into warm bath water. As for the left over placenta, I have no idea. I have never bred dogs before, so I don't know what you could do about that. Sounds as if the vet knows his stuff, so don't worry about it. As far as her not wanting anything to do with her puppies; just let nature take its course. If she doesn't let them nurse today, then you need to intervene and feed them yourself. You could also try bathing her in warm water, which will get her mamary glands going, and she will need to release her milk. I really don't know what else you could do. You will probably have to feed the pupies yourself. I don't know what else you could do. They are too young to eat pupy food just quite yet. I honestly don't know what else you could do. Just try bathing her, to get her mamary glands going.