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AKC vs. CKC registration
what's the difference...
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Posted: 12:51:38 PM 8/11/2005
I was looking in the paper today at all the dogs for sale and noticed over half of them were listed as CKC registered. Can anyone explain to me the advantages and disadvantages of having a dog CKC registered vs. AKC registered. Also, what's the difference betweeen the two and why would someone choose to register their dog through them? Thanks :)
Posted: 1:20:36 PM 8/11/2005
anyone know??? (bump up)
Posted: 1:28:07 PM 8/11/2005
AKC has shows and are more strict on what they register and how many litters a year come through.

CKC is a little less strict.I think you can take a pic of a dog,send it in and get papers. I think of it as a mill registery but I guess that cuz I'd never buy from someone that doesn't show and you don't show with ckc. Unless you are on the canadian border and its canadian club anyway!


*And by show I mean a real one. I've never seen a ckc show

***Edited By: joce on 8/11/2005 1:29:21 PM***
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Posted: 1:37:40 PM 8/11/2005
thanks!
Posted: 1:52:03 PM 8/11/2005
Depends if it's:

CKC: Canadian Kennel Club - reputable
CKC: Continetial Kennel Club - NOT reputable....

Posted: 7:30:08 PM 8/11/2005
Depends which CKC. Sadly nowadays people automatically think continenal. They chose the abreviation for the confusion.. helps them seem more reputable.
Posted: 7:49:38 PM 8/11/2005
maybe some of the dogs listed in your paper were not recognized by the AKC. like the american bulldog, american pit bull, ect. I register my dogs under the AKC, CKC, NKC, ect. but it seems to me that the open registries are less about the $$. just my 2cents
Posted: 12:14:31 AM 8/12/2005
How can the 'open registries' be less about the money? All they do is collect money and stuff it in their pockets.

At least the AKC puts some of the registration money into canine health organizations, public education, putting on a variety of shows and performance events including earthdog trials, lure coursing, agility, obedience, field trials, tracking and herding and more every year.
Posted: 11:03:51 AM 8/12/2005
ok I was not going to comment since, but I cant help it! I have my opinions and the majority has their own, but I did want to point out that when AKC first started they had a open door policy that if you had pictures of your dog and a witness you could register your dog. That was when they were first starting out. Then after they got enough dogs registered they slowly made new rules as far as if you want to register a dog you have to do this and this. Then finally they closed the books. I really think CKC is doing the same thing since they are so new. I bet after a while they will close their books. If AKC did it why cant CKC or any other place? Everyone has to start somewhere. Just my opinion about the situation of CKC.
Posted: 11:07:57 AM 8/12/2005
thank you holidayzbliss. that is a very good point. also,, they dont register some of the other breeds like i mentioned earlier.
Posted: 11:08:03 AM 8/12/2005
The ckc isn't that new. More than half the dogs for sale in my paper are ckc. they have more than enogugh for a base.
Posted: 11:32:16 AM 8/12/2005
so, if a lot of people are using CKC, why is it bad? are they all BYB and puppymills? I like the service at CKC better than AKC.
Posted: 11:41:07 AM 8/12/2005
Of course the CKC isn't all puppy mills and BYB. However, as there's is no way to 'prove' your dog's skills or conformation in the ContKC as there is in the AKC with conformation and performance events..., how much are the registration papers really worth? What exactly do you mean when you say you like the service more?

In addition, because the ContKC does accept dogs as purebred and breeding stock based on a picture alone, I find their stud and breeding books more than a little suspect when it comes to record keeping.

IMHO if you have a dog that you intend to breed that is of a breed that *CAN* be AKC registered, then it *should* AKC registered. Every other registry in the US (and the world, for that matter) accepts the veracity of AKC papers. And don't get me wrong, there are people who do try to beat the system, register dogs with the wrong stud, etc in the AKC. It's not flawless.

But it seems to me there is far more room for dogs of questional breeding given the ContKC's acceptance of any dog that resembles a purebred as purebred, regardless of whether it is or not. I am willing to bet I could register Bowen as a purebred sable Border Collie with the CKC. Which is pretty sad.

I think the big reason that people use the ContKC is that they're buying puppy mill/pet store dogs that are ContKC registered and then just perpetuating hte problem by breeding them. That or they don't want to pay the AKC's $15 registration fee. (I think the contkc charges $10.)

***Edited By: Minniyar on 8/12/2005 11:44:18 AM***
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Posted: 12:09:45 PM 8/12/2005
i needed to send in a pedigree with microchip # to register my akc dogs with ckc. i think it is another reigistry that will take just pics and a letter from a vet.
Posted: 12:35:11 PM 8/12/2005
I did call CKC to see if they have shows for the dogs and I was told they do. Along with that they also have agility, obedience, conformation and more. I know they have more, but do not remember them all.

With regestering dogs with CKC it is 5.00 a dog if you register 10 or more dogs. 10.00 for 9 and under dogs that you register. Sometimes they may work with you if you only have 8 dogs and let you have the 5.00 register fee. Standard registry and pedigree is 23.00. If you have more than 10 dogs registered it is 20.00 for a pedigree and registration. That is if you don't want photo's on your registration and pedigree it is that price and then goes up for photo's. I paid to get a pedigree and it went back as far as it could. They don't charge extra if you want more than 3 generations they give you all the information as far back as they can go for the same price. You can also get your dog microchiped if you want with them. If you have puppies there is no fee to get registration papers for the puppies that is free for you the breeder.

There just some info for you.

Minniyar - thank you for saying that not all people that register with CKC are puppymills or BYB. It is nice that people do realize that a puppymill or byb can be in any registry or state not just certain ones.

***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 8/12/2005 12:38:06 PM***
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Posted: 12:50:51 PM 8/12/2005
In response to the question "why would someone choose a particular registry?'" there will be a lot of people leaving AKC if PAWS passes and there will be many dogs registered with any number of the new services.Breeders who register with any registry do expect something for their money and it is seems AKC is charging more and delivering less.
Posted: 12:56:11 PM 8/12/2005
glad i'm not alone.
Posted: 1:40:48 PM 8/12/2005
If you go here

http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/upcomingevents.aspx

you will see that the CKC does indeed hold a few performance events. However I think the AKC holds more events.. and REAL events, not 'fun events' in a single month than the CKC does in an entire year. Notice that if you look around on the website, there's no guideline for achiving titles in any of these events, so how do you know when your dog is a champion in any single event? Or has even achieved a milestone, like the Junior Hunting titles, or Novice Agility or whatever? I understand that if the events are quality events (like for example, UKC sponsored events) then the number wouldn't make a difference. But see no evidence of structure or quality.

Ther'es like 10 total clubs sponsoring 'events'. The AKC has more than 500 clubs, and I don't think that's including the National breed clubs that help set each breed's standards.
Posted: 1:43:54 PM 8/12/2005
I got to every dog show that pops up by me. there is an AKC confromation one in Oberlin this weekend:) But I have never once seen a ckc show. I know I hear people talk about them but what good is it if their are only ten shows a year or something(slight sarcasim,no clue how many shows but none by me). And whats so bad about it is you could have someone that would be the best breeder in the world with the best looking dogs in the world but when they have pups they don't look how they should. I've heard of people registering the mutts that look pure and using them for breeding and that what happens. They throw pups that look like their other mix. And that is too big of a risk for me.

I'm not saying they can't be good breeders I just would NEVETR trust it just because of what could get into the lines and it doesn't even have to be the breeders fault.
Posted: 1:49:00 PM 8/12/2005
ok sorry I cant give up on CKC I really do like them. I called again and they told me yes you can get the champion title and score points check here http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/EventRulesList.aspx
I clicked on some of them and it does show points and your dog can get that CH for champion infront of his name for the show events.
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