What is your point here? Are you trying to prove something or just debate the same topic that's been discussed and fought over on this forum forever. Obviously no one is changing their mind.
As I've said before, I believe (and I have the right to my opinion, as do you have the same right to your own) that breeding should be done carefully and ONLY by those who want to improve a certain breed.
And again, as I've previously said, you (hypothetically or whatever) breeding to mixed will create a cross breed.
So my question to you is...what're you trying to prove here? We are all just repeating ourselves for the millionth time. It's old.
it is not true that some of the dogs in the AKC are crossbred.
What is true is that some dogs in creating the breed WERE crossbred/mixes. But now they are purebred, not crossbred.
***********ok i will repeat myself again ... I never said they are considered crossbreeds today but some dogs did result from breeding 2 different breeds (ie Shih Tzus may have originated from a cross between the Tibetan Mountain Dog and the Pekingese)**********
You can't make a new breed by randomly breeding two dogs of different breed. You have to breed f1 genreations f2, f3, etc and add in other breeds that have desirable traits.
*** who disagrees with you.. I don't .. I never said one can breed 2 dogs of a different breed and boom they instantly have a new breed .-- pls read what i said --- i only asked why it is so wrong to mate two perfectly good dogs of different breeds assuming all testing etc has been done and the breeder does everything a reputable breeder should*******
But the shih poo is not a breed. It is a mix. Because when you breed a shih poo to a shihpoo, you don't get a litter of puppies that are all alike, you get some that resemble more shih tzus, somet hat resemble poodles and some that are somewhere in the middle. The offspring can look like eitehr parent or grandparent in the litter. Thus, they do not breed true, and are not a 'breed'.
**** I never called the shih poo a breed ... I called it a shih poo so you know what kind of dog I am talking about .. calling a shih poo a mutt doesn't distinguish it from a gsd chow mix or any other mutt in the world ..if it makes you feel better I will call it a shih tzu poodle mix .. . for this purpose here i called it a shih poo so we all know what kind of dog we are talking about BTW who mentioned breeding grandparents and so on .. refer to the original question .. I said 2 dogs of a diff breed like the shih tzu and the poodle*********
BTW Harleysmom no one is trying to change your mind.... I am just trying to understand where all the negativity is stemming from....if the breeder is responsible and does all the things a reputable breeder should do .. what makes him irresponsible ..they are irresponsible because the dogs are not purebreds? is that your answer
I currently have 4 purebred dogs, I love them all very very much. I have had mutts and purebred dogs in the past and I love them all...I could care less if they have papers or not ...i don't care if they can stand on one leg while licking their face .. who cares
AS FOR TEMPERAMENT I would rather have a shih poo any day vs a pitt bull ... my neighbors pitt attacked another dog and killed it, then the dog attacked a kid and an adult on the same day He supposedly cost $1500 and was purebred by the way FOR ALL THE OTHERS WHO ALWAYS MISS THE POINT I AM NOT CALLING ALL PITTS BAD OK
omg, dogknowitall, please read this very carefully.
No one, not one person, said they HATE (as your put it in your topic description) mixed dogs.
Also, NO ONE said that mixed breeds are better or worse than purebreds. I dont care if your nieghbor's brothers' cousins sister's boyfriends father's pit (one T, not two) bull attacked baby ducklings in the backyard while his shih poo floated angelically in the cloud above his house. It has absolutely nothing to do with the DOG, it has to do with the person creating these dogs.
You need to relax take it easy. What does our opinion mean to you anyways? Jeez. You seriously should let it go before your blood pressure gets high.
I have 3 purebreeds, as well as 2 "designer mutts"..I certainly did not get them from a mutt breeder, nor did I pay a lot of money for them..they weren't treated right so I offered the owner $200 for both and she took it....THIS IS THE POINT..I am NOT going to breed them because their puppies will end up just like them! We have enough mutts in shelters, keep the breeding to the experts..atleast the GOOD BREEDERS' dogs serve a purpose and will not end up in shelters! I do not "hate" mutts..I love all of my dogs and I know that my 2 mutts don't have the best qualities to look for in a dog but they are great and I love them, there is nothing wrong against owning a mutt, you are saving a life, just don't create more!
Why are you bringing pit bulls into the conversation?
Hmm.. I know. You are just TRYING to cause trouble. You want people to fight with you. Everybody was actually really nice and calm with their answers to you and you just keep pushing our buttons. Now you're going to bring pit bulls into it. Get a life kid.
NEWS FLASH!!! ALL DOGS ARE MUTTS!!!!! Even the "precious" pure breds. What, do you think God woke up one day and said, "Here's a poodle, here's a lab, here's a ...".. NO, ALL DOG BREEDS originated from wolves. As they became tame, they were bred for specific traits that somebody wanted. i.e. smaller size, shorter nose, long coat, short coat... THAT is how ALL dog breeds got to be what they are today! I love a good mutt and to me sitting there saying over and over again "big ugly dog that will shed everywhere" is a bit much. I prefer large dogs and my current is a Saint bernard/Aussie Shepherd mix. He's only 15 weeks now. My last dog was a Border Collie/Chow mix. We've had one pure Great Dane and several mixes of Danes. Let's please get over the mutt thing because technically speaking ALL DOGS ARE MUTTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
someone brought up temperament .. i was just commenting that shih poos are not bad dogs .. i have seen a few designer mutt s and they are quite docile .. how many shih poos and malit poos did you read about attack people but i have heard of pits attacking people in fact i have seen the results myself ... SEE I KNEW SOME PEOPLE WOULD MISS THE POINT .. I SAID NOT ALL PITS ARE BAD BUT THERE ARE SOME REALLY MEAN PITS OUT THERE .. SOME WERE BRED AS FIGHTING DOGS AND SOME HAVE TO BE DESTROYED /PUT TO SLEEP BECAUSE NO AMOUNT OF TRAINING CAN FIX THEM I HAVE MET SOME REALLY NICE PITS TOO .. THAT IS NOT MY POINT I was commenting that if temperament is an issue for not crossbreeding ... then maybe we shouldn't breed pits
And for someone to say there is no such thing as an ugly dog .. you are full of it ... i have seen an owned many ugly dogs .. no one wanted them so i took them in ... i still loved them but i am not gonna lie and say ooooooooooh he is so pretty
NEWS FLASH!! It takes many years to come up with a breed! You can't decide to breed your Rottie, Fluffy and your Poodle Puffy one day and have RottieDoodles! If you get a puppy, you don't what size it will be as an adult or what it'll look like. And even if they do look cute, they can possess the worst of the original breeds! Breeding mutts is only for money and cutsie names! A "Designer Mutt" breeder DOES NOT start with quality breeding stock, they DO NOT do health tests or screen their breeding stock for problems BEFORE breeding..THEY DON'T CARE where their dog is going to end up it is soley for MONEY, they NEVER have a good contract, they don't know anything about the dogs they are breeding. A hybrid is the offspring of two different breeds, NOT two members of the same breed.
I have nothing against mixed breeds, and ahve one myself. She is very sweet, but I do have something against the breeders. yes, both purebreds and mutts are the in the shelters...heh, but 90% of shelter dogs ARE and will ALWAYS be mutts. Purebreds also get adopted way faster than mutts most of the time.
There are over 150 breeds...why do we possibly need more? Specially with all the dogs in humane shelters.
Better yet, why the heck did you bring pit bulls into this discussion?! My patience it VERY limited when people start to say bad things about pit bulls. Unfortyunately, I am owned by a very viscous, evil, man-eater myself. She's so mean, it's a wonder that I can pet her, hug her, let alone sleep with her at night without her mauling me or my little brother!!! (I'm being sarcastic incase you didn't realize... -_-'') And actually, no, I don't see why ANYONE would want a shi-poo more than a precious pit bull.
hector you got an A+???? how??? when you don't how to answer a question you people don't care to answer the question because you guys have been told that mix breeds are bad so blah blah blah blah .. you don't know you dislike them .. you just do .. and mix breed breeders are even worse even if f they did every thing a responsible dog breeder should do .. they are bad just because .. no reason given yet
as for the pit comment --- someone said we won't know what kind of temperament the dog has ... well we know how some pits behave .but we breed them anyway
btw my neighbors dog was loved but i guess he just snapped b/c somewhere along the line one of his ancestors was a fighting dog ... who knows why he snapped .. he was never mistreated
PEOPLE I SAID HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION ... MAKE BELIEVE THE BREEDER IS ETHICAL .. THEN WHAT IS WRONG .... GOODNESS I SAID HYPOTHETICAL
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