i DO vote and i did not vote for bush. but i cannot say, with any guarentee that kerry or anyone else would have done any better. i do not know. all i am saying is that the government did not cause the hurricane and wether or not they stepped up in the time of need is little or no consolation for the victims.i,m sure they are not concerned with government issues right now, as much as they are with food, clothes and shelter. all i'm saying is that we cant change what has already happened, but we can do all that is in our power to help now
Well, I was going to respond to the idea of placing the complete blame on the president but it has already been addressed and well stated. It is unfortunante that this has become a political issue when what happened naturally was in no one's control. It was an unfortunante failure to be prepared for what has happened. I don't think anyone in command could comprehend what happned there, but they should have had the wisdom to stand as far away from danger as possible. When five days notice are given why do you wait until 2 days before to evacuate? Maybe they underestimated the time it would take to get people out. Unfortunantly this is a syndrome that effects us all. We estimate the amout of time it will take to study for a test and we come up short, or the time it takes to get somewhere and there's a train so we're late. The point is we should have been prepared WAY in advance. This preparedness falls on the local government by way of our constitution and they failed to be prepared. Hopefully next time they will learn from their mistakes and be ready. They cannot control mother nature, but we can certainly learn from probably the worst natural disaster in our country in decades, take that knowledge and improve on it for the future. This isn't a racial issue either. That statement is simply an excuse to take frustration out on someone else. And that's not right in any situation. They've been dealt an unfortunante deck of cards and I feel sorry for those who are suffereing and have lost their homes and way of living. I pray for them every day. I pray that their lives will be restored to some sort of normalcy. Its time for them to stop bickering and complaining and blaming and find the courage inside themselves to do what needs to be done. Sitting around saying so and so did or didn't do something because of their race will not get them their lives back.
Nobody had five days notice. Earlier in the week, New Orleans wasn't even in the cone of error, much less the target. The cone of error kept moving westward (because a high pressure system that was supposed to break down was taking longer than expected), and it was on Friday that the weather forecasters started to get worried. Governor Blanco declared a state of emergency on Friday evening. Contraflow was in effect by Saturday afternoon. New Orleans was experiencing tropical storm force winds by Sunday evening. You have to have everything finished before the tropical storm force winds show up.
Nagin is the first non-corrupt mayor the city has had in a long time, perhaps ever, and he's in his first term. After Hurricane Georges in 1998, the previous mayor and governor came up with a contraflow traffic plan to turn inbound lanes into outbound lanes. There are very few lanes out of New Orleans (because the city is surrounded by water, so everybody needs to drive over bridges).
Nagin and the former governor implemented the plan for Hurricane Ivan. It was a total disaster. A large percentage of the people who tried to evacuate turned around and went home because traffic was so bad. It took me 11 hours just to get out of the New Orleans metro area.
Nagin listened to the complaints and worked with newly-elected Governor Blanco to revise the plan. It worked far better than anyone expected. When I arrived at my mom's, she said she had heard on the news that the city had managed to evacuate 80 percent of the population. I insisted she must have heard incorrectly because nobody had ever succeeded in getting more than 50 percent of the population out of the city. I expected a jump because of the improvement in the contraflow plan but not a 30 percent jump.
Granted this plan only helped people with cars (I'll get to the bus issue later), but if Nagin had not taken over as mayor another 200,000 people would have been left in that city. Can you imagine how much worse that would have been?
I think the hurricane was a terrible disaster and I feel for all those impacted. I can't imagine losing everything. It always seems that everything turns "political" I think the sooner we all realize that God is in control not nagin or bush or anyone else the better off we'll be.
Ivy-- I've lived there for a little over 10 years, but I grew up in the burbs of St. Louis. When Nagin took over as mayor, nothing in the city worked properly, and he has done more to fix the city in a few years than anyone thought possible.
The city runs something called break tag stations, which is where you get your car inspected when you renew your license plates. Before Nagin, to get your break tag, you had to bribe whomever was working. With a bribe, a car that shouldn't pass would, and without a bribe, a car that should pass wouldn't. Nagin directed the police department to set up a sting operation on the break tag stations. The cops arrested so many workers that the city had to shut down all of the stations for months because there was nobody left to operate them. Then, the at-the-time DA refused to prosecute (more corruption).
Nagin took over a total disaster of a city and has made amazing progress cleaning it up, while constantly facing resistence from those who have for years benefitted from the corruption and patronage. Unfortunately, the rest of country isn't able to tell how great the guy really is.
The disagreement the Gov. had was the President wanted it Federalized right away and she didn't want basically "marshal law" put in place.
IMO After hearing and reading what both have said it was a power play between the 2 branches state and federal. The people were caught in the middle. I don't think the head of FEMA is qualified to handle this either. I don't think the head of Homeland security is either.
Does anyone really feel like the people we have in charge of our security and disaster response could really handle a major terrorists act in light of what they did with advanced warning of a disaster?
Forgot to add that we absolutely should rebuild N.O. We spend billions everywhere else, darned well better do it at home.
***Edited By: yorkies4ever on 9/11/2005 9:20:54 PM*** Reason: forgot something
I dont know anything about the mayor of New Orleans. I was only saying that everyone is jumping all over the president when really, there are many people in front of the president when it comes to a natural disaster.
Yeah I was watching CNN eariler and they were saying a similar thing. That there is a chain of command that has to be followed and sadly in the case the Pres. is at the end of the line. And they were showing a comparison of how 9/11 was handel compared to N.O. and I tell you the mayor of NYC handel things much better.
And the most striking thing I saw on that report was this...I am not sure what day this was said on I did not catch that... The Gov. of La..Glason I believe is her name..Said at that point..she didn't believe the flooding in N.O. was a "toxic soup bowl" it was just water and everyone around her was blindly agreeing with her.
guiliani did an awesome job handling 9/11 in nyc but imo you cannot compare the two disasters. in nyc you are talking about two towers, a pretty confined amount of space to deal with and a lot less people. the disaster in new orleans is much grander in scale.
And your right...They were/are 2 totally different events. I guess maybe I wording this wrong..Wouldn't be the first time lol....This tragedy has been a mess to say the least...The left hand had no idea what the right hand was doing...I am watching CNN right now and and they are suppose to go through what the chain of command is in a situation like this.
Ya know it has been a few days since I have watched any news. It was just taking a major emotional toll on me. So I had to take a break. And I have been reading the many posts that have been posted here and on other boards about what happened. And I think ,IMO, there was a major lack of commucation between all officals in this matter. Especially in the beginning. One example was Blanco..and this is something pretty much has admitted...That when she first called for help she was not more specific in the type help she needed in here state, especially N.O. It was not until Wed. before she actually called and said she needed Fed.(military)n help in N.O.....It was days later before FEMA was made aware that people were at the convection center.....And don't ask me how I over looked this with all the news floating around since Katrina hit....That Mayor Naygin(however you spell his name) Did not issue a mandatory evac. until Sunday moring knowing that it would take at least 72 or more to evac. the whole city......And when I look at and hear these examples on the news I can see its more than the Pres. messed up..many officals did for whatever reason..Wheither it was inexperience or lack of commucation I don't know..But from where I sit and from what I hear many many people dropped the ball on this one...
Scout I'm glad you said something because I don't think you can compare the two events either. Another difference, this was a natural disaster verses an attack by others on our country. Two very different situations.
True Katrina and 9/11 where two totally different kinds of disasters.
One an Attack by Terrorists – Unexpected ,
One by Mother Nature and bureaucracy.--- Expected
I believe that the Comparison is only coming into play because everyone SAW what an Awesome Job “Guilliani “
did in the face of such an UNEXPECTED event. The leadership skills that was shown during and after the Attack on 9/11 … just perfect .
Very Sad that with Forewarning of the pending Danger and Disaster … Not one could even come close to the Leadership abilities of Guilliani.
Now maybe .. because the Entire World saw this…. Changes WILL be made. >> To better protect us in Any type of attack be it by Terrorists or Mother Nature . <<
(( true the SIZE of each disaster … was way different… One --10 city square blocks … and One a entire City and a touch beyond. BUT… with the Forewarning… equals Compensation for the difference )) _________________
And the most striking thing I saw on that report was this...I am not sure what day this was said on I did not catch that... The Gov. of La..Glason I believe is her name..Said at that point..she didn't believe the flooding in N.O. was a "toxic soup bowl" it was just water and everyone around her was blindly agreeing with her. ________________________
I think the Governor makes that comment because she is ashamed of how her “city” has gotten out of control and To prevent panic among the people.
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I did hear today … that Most of the citizens Did not have FLOOD insurance … and the Federal Government Makes a payout to cover losses by a Flood … 250,000.00 for the Home and 100,000.00 for the contents … Total 350,000.00 ….
Hopefully some will be able to start again … so even with out insurance all was not lost.
***Edited By: IVYdragonn on 9/12/2005 5:44:16 AM*** Reason: add
In regards to President Bush being so harshly criticized lately as well as being accused of being a racist.
A few truths, for those who have ears and eyes and care to know the truth:
1.) The hurricane that hit New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama was an astonishing tragedy. The suffering and loss of life and peace of mind of the residents of those areas is acutely horrifying.
2.) George Bush did not cause the hurricane. Hurricanes have been happening for eons. George Bush did not create them or unleash this one.
3.) George Bush did not make this one worse than others. There have been far worse hurricanes than this before George Bush was born.
4.) There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists. There is no clear evidence that if it does exist it makes hurricanes more powerful or makes them aim at cities with large numbers of poor people. If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters -- China, India, and Brazil. In a word, George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane. To speculate otherwise is belief in sorcery.
5.) George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation. It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be. They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.
6.) George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops, did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome, did not make looters steal hundreds of weapons, in short make New Orleans into a living hell.
7.) George Bush is the least racist President in mind and soul there has ever been and this is shown in his appointments over and over. To say otherwise is scandalously untrue.
8.) George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can. He is not a magician. It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.
9.) There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency. To say otherwise is pure slander.
10.) If the energy the news media puts into blaming Bush for an Act of God worsened by stupendous incompetence by the New Orleans city authorities and the malevolence of the criminals of the city were directed to helping the morale of the nation, we would all be a lot better off.
11.) New Orleans is a great city with many great people. It will recover and be greater than ever. Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed the process by one day.
12.) The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.
God bless all of those dear people who are suffering so much, and God bless those helping them, starting with George Bush.
More Mysteries of Katrina:
Why is it that the snipers who shot at emergency rescuers trying to save people in hospitals and shelters are never mentioned except in passing, and Mr. Bush, who is turning over heaven and earth to rescue the victims of the storm, is endlessly vilified?
What church does Rev. Al Sharpton belong to that believes in passing blame and singling out people by race for opprobrium and hate?
What special abilities does the media have for deciding how much blame goes to the federal government as opposed to the city government of New Orleans for the aftereffects of Katrina?
If able-bodied people refuse to obey a mandatory evacuation order for a city, have they not assumed the risk that ill effects will happen to them?
When the city government simply ignores its own sick and hospitalized and elderly people in its evacuation order, is Mr. Bush to blame for that?
Is there any problem in the world that is not Mr. Bush's fault, or have we reverted to a belief in a sort of witchcraft where we credit a mortal man with the ability to create terrifying storms and every other kind of ill wind?
Where did the idea come from that salvation comes from hatred and criticism and mockery instead of love and co-operation?