PLEASE don't read if you are squimish, this is a techincal question and not a pleasant issue.
I know that my vet snips it and then puts a stitch at the end, but I have had moms lick through the stitch and it makes the end a round hairless nub.
My friend does her own and sometimes mine, and she clamps the end and twists and pulls it off taking some of the bone and then superglue's the skin ends together, which turns out nicer at the tip, but sometimes makes the 'tail set' downward. Wondering if anyone else knows of a different way that they like better. Mine go in on Monday.
My vet did my Rotties. He clipped them and put a stitch. He said if "mom" took the stitches out then next time he would glue them. Little did he know their wouldn't be a next time for them. They were rescue puppys. My Corso breeders vet uses the band technique. After a couple days they just fall off.
There is a special tissue glue that the last vet I worked for would use on occasions. I've never seen them use it on tail dockings though, always a stitch at the end. But you might look into it and see what others have to say about it. I don't see why it wouldn't work.
snip between the bones and stitch the ends. the only time i have ever seen a bald spot at the end of a docked dogs tail is because someone didnt do it properly and leave enough skin at the end of the tail.
I'd actually love more information on this. My Aussies won't be old enough to breed for another 8 months and I KNOW I'm going to have my vet do the first couple of litters and let me watch/assist, but eventually I'd like to do my own (EVENTUALLY :) as it's 45 minutes to the vet and we do our own dewclaws already. Anybody some insight into this they'd like to share?
If you are looking for a vet locally to dock your puppies please check their work. There are a number of vets who, while they know how to dock a puppy correctly but not what length the tail should be left. If you can find a breeder of your breed in the area they should know who does the best job.
As a groomer I see far more dogs that, no matter the breed are docked short like a Rottie. It doesn't matter much if they are pets, but an incorrect dock can end a dog's show career before it begins.
The advantage to banding is that if the length is incorrect it can be changed, with other methods there is only one chance.
there is this issue in New Zealand as to ban this prectice or not...
I just cant Imagine what a Rotti would look like with a Tail... my mother 3/4 rotti 1/4 black lab had a docked tail... maybe you are on the right track and finding the best way to dock a Tail may just pursuade the nzkc to lobby against the banning of the docked tail
we get used to seeing certain breeds without tails. seeing say a boxer. or dobe with a tail would look strange to us. we dont picture them that way. same with ears. my sister has two boxers. their tails are docked, but not their ears. when i look at them , i find myself picturing in my head what they would look like with their ears standing.
Docking doesn't hurt tghe dog, no matter how gruesome it may seem, and they are so younge that they wouldn't remember it.
I myself prefer the natural look, but that is only me. I don't care if someone wants to crop their boxer or great dane's ears, or dock their dog's tails. It is solely up to them. Though since I prefer them natural, I will never dock/crop unless there is a medical reason.
Shadowdog they may not be old enough to remember it later, but when you clip the tails and the dew claws the puppies do yell in pain, and do feel pain there after of their new injury until it heals. All living beings have touch feelings and pain if injured.
Now you can argue all you want but if it didnt hurt when it happened and there after the puppy would never cry out in pain of it. I have had my dobermans tails and dew claws done enough times in my life time to know it does hurt them.
Just like it hurts a human baby boy to get circumsized, they cry threw the entire thing and take some time to calm down afterwards because of the pain of the injury.
And cutting off limb like a tail can be very painful if not done proprely, and when done properly too, the poor dogs. It is an intentional INJURY. Although not considered abuse.
Some breeds need it done because their tails can beat you to death because they are long a skinny like switches cut off of a tree. LOL! Probly why some breeds have a history of this in their breed.
***Edited By: peanutmypoodle on 9/11/2005 9:43:41 PM*** Reason: *
Sorry Joce, I do read the answers and it always seems to be just for cosmetic reasons, not medical and I truly can not see putting the animal thru that. It is like people getting plastic surgery done, I can see it if it is medically necessary but to just do it, I don't get it. Sorry if you are upset, I am just trying to understand and maybe I feel if I ask the questions that that may get the orig. poster to think a little more about what they are doing and if one person changes his/her mind then that is one dog that won't have to go thru it and if they don't that is ok because it is their choice.
***Edited By: codys mom on 9/11/2005 9:32:39 PM*** Reason: spelling, hands on wrong keys
oops didn't mean to start something... well I had my friend teach my husband how to do it, because she is moving in the next few months. With both the tails and dew claws they are 'pinched' first with a hemostat (sp) which numbs the area while another tool is used to do the snipping/pulling. As far as the superglue, it is commonly used in medical clinics, vet clinics and I have used it on my husband when he had a 1/2'' deep cut in his finger... works great.
Yes, they cry breifly, they are getting parts removed (similar to circumscision in human boys), however as with infants the 'theory' is that they have an underdeveloped nervous system, so it is not as bad at 0-3 days as if you were to do it at 4 days+. That is the reason that tails and dew claws are done on all my puppies, otherwise if someone wanted the tail done later it would be a MAJOR sugery. I am sure it hurts, but they get over it VERY quickly. They are back nursing as soon as they are back with mom.
Tails are removed for cosmetic reasons, but dew claws are removed so they don't cause major damage if they 'snag' and get ripped off as an adult. I have no problem removing either.
I do concider it different than ear-cropping which is done at 8-12 weeks (for Boxers), and the puppy has to go under general anesthesia, and I have seen them be in pain for up to a week afterwards. Though, if I have a show prospect pup, they have to get that done if I like it or not...because right now they are not being given 'real' concideration in the show ring with natural ears.
I think someone mentioned wanting to learn to do it yourself, you need to ask your breeder what the length of the tail is that your breed standard is supposed to have. For example show length boxer tails are much longer than pet docks. A nickle or wooden tounge depressor sideways placed at the base of the tail are good length guides when doing a 0-3 day old boxer. Pet dock people just make sure the tail covers the anus. You also have to make sure everything is super sterile or I am sure you would have terrible problems. It is harsh, I do a lot of my own stuff and I watched nearly every litter being done over the past 8 years, have held puppies while they are done, but I can't do it. My husband went to college for pre-med and has worked in hospitals so it's not a problem for him.
In some cases the reasons for docking are cosmetic, but in others it is functional. In the American Cocker Spaniel the tail is docked because a full tail with what may be a considerable coat will get caught up in the bush when they are hunting. It also may present a sanitary problem in the same way that sheep tails do. In the Poodle the tail is docked to prevent it from hampering their swimming when they are retrieving.
I knew a couple of Dobies who were not docked and their tails changed directions every 4 inches from being broke while wagging.
***Edited By: TJRuff on 9/11/2005 11:16:54 PM*** Reason: sp
alicat1 you didn't start anything, you had a legit question. TJRuff, thank you for your input. I can understand it if it is necessary to protect the dog from harm like you mentioned. It just seemed to me to be cosmetic reasons only, I understand some breeds that is true but in other breeds it is not. Thanks again for the helpful info.