"My personal opinion - most people who preach about what a good breeder should look like have either never breed a litter of puppies, never visited a true Puppy Mill or BYB, OR have never made less than $100,000 dollars a year. Lower income families should be allowed to have a great pet and they shouldn't have to pay an arm and a leg for it. The only people allowed to breed acceptably shouldn't have to be super wealthy. Maybe it would be time better spent telling people to consider what is most important to them from a breeder? Not what is important to those who have the money to spend $1000 on a dog. "
Though this is truly none of your business, I don't mind telling people about myself!:-)
My own mother used to be a BYB. I have helped to raise a total of six litters. I even had to help my mom bottle feed a litter of 8! Most of our puppies were sold to bad homes, and often times killed by cars or rat poisen. We never health tested, and we bred horrible examples of the breed. The sire was dog agressive, and both dams have health problems. This is what helps me truly understand what BYBs feel and think about their own breeding practices.
My family has never been rich. I don't get the nice name brand clothes, I don't have the biggest house, I don't have the nicest grooming equipment, I don't get extra money here and there for snacks and other things,... I could go on, but I will not bore you *wink* I have one working parent, which works in a factory, that supports eight dogs and four kids. We have to pay for all our kids' food, the dogs food, the grooming equipment, dog training classes, water bills from us kids' showers and dogs' baths, vet bills, doctor bills(note: we do not have insurance).......... again, I will not bore you! Lol.
As you probably can already tell, I do not meet the above generalization, although I do have an opinion that you may not agree with.
I thnik tessa sometimes misses the point. Maybe it's age maybe she is just hardheaded. Let me reiterate, when I said leave the breeding to professionals I meant experts. The word professional has 2 meanings 1. a person who engages in an activity to profit 2. an expert . Now that you know I mean expert I hope you understand what I am talking about. They are experts because they choose to study the breed, they choose to spend long hours learning about dogs (health issues, food issues etc), they are experts in their field -- breeding and raising good quality dogs. They show their dogs, they know about the breed standards etc. plain and simple they are experts a.ka. professionals.
***Edited By: lovedoggies on 9/12/2005 12:20:06 AM*** Reason: ok
Please, lovedoggies, do not assume that I am ignorant just because of my age. Compared to most teens, I am far from hard headed and closed minded. I am very willing to accept others opinions and learn from them. In fact, yours and I opinion are practically the same. So, I truly do not understnad why people are getting irritated and defensive. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is the 'vibe' I am getting from you, specifically since you so rudely chose to repeat yourself while saying that I am hardheaded which implies I am not listening and that I chose to ignore you. Fact is, is that you and I were posting at the same time. I did not see your reply. I am sorry.
sorry I am just tired of people arguing about stupid semantics. I guess it just irritates me when people pick at what you say without really knowing what you mean. I guess I have to learn to be more tolerant of others . I guess I should say it nicer -- tessa, professional has more than one meaning. It just irritated me when she jumped to conclusions. Ok now I am over it. I hope she now understands that professional can mean expert. Third times a charm.
Love doggies, if I can jump in here. I can tell you feel strongly about your view and no one on here really disagrees with you it is just that the average person still wants to purchase a pet. Their are differences of opinions as to who is qualified to breed. The important thing is that animals are loved and cared for. I myself don't understand why anyone would want to mix a breed. The lady I purchased my dog from has many repeat customers. She only breeds one type of dog. She requires limited registration. She had a puppy she sold die once so had an autopsy done at her expense. He had choked on kibble. She gave the owners a new dog. I think she does a good job. My dog is very intelligent and meets breed specifics. It shouldn't take a college degree to breed dogs. What you could try is telling people to take care of the dogs they purchase.
***Edited By: thlynda on 9/12/2005 12:30:27 AM*** Reason: spelling
I have purchased a dog from a byb. I didn't pay much for him but I am paying for it now. He has many health problems. I just wish people would be responsible and get their animals genetically tested before breeding them. It's the right thing and the responsible thing to do. Unfortunately, many breeders breed their dogs for extra money, tax free money at that. If you can't afford a dog from a reputable breeder or you cannot swallow the thought of spending $1,000 on a dog, you can adopt one from a rescue or the pound. Approximately 25 percent of dogs in the pound are purebred dogs, they also have puppies at the pound. Go to petfinder.com and you will see so many dogs and puppies needing good homes. I really think if we continue to buy dogs from puppmills and byb we will encourage them to continue this horrible practice. You dont' have to be without a dog because you come from a middle income family, you can always adopt a dog for as little as $60 or as much as $300 depends on which shelter or pound you deal with. The dogs come altered or come with a spay/.neuter certificate and are vaccinated. In the long run, adopting a dog from the pound is cheaper and you actually save a life. I also have to say if you cannot afford $60-300 for the purchase of the pet then maybe you should buy a goldfish. Dogs come with many needs and you shoul dbe able to afford them before you buy a dog. Love doesn't pay the vet bills or the food bills.
Lovedoggies I paid 300. for my dog and if you read my post I attempted to rescue however the rescue would neither return my e-mails or calls and if you will read the other post here and on other threads I am not the only one who had this problem. As to whether or not I should pay 1,000. for a dog or go to the pound. Thankfully you don't get to make that call. Also let me add the lady I purchased my dog from has been breeding the same breed for 30 years. May I ask why you purchased from a BYB?
***Edited By: thlynda on 9/12/2005 12:51:07 AM*** Reason: add
I am probably one of the people whos dogs cost an arm and a leg.
Most petshops charge more then I do for puppies.
I offer lifetime guaranty, lifetime support, lifetime take back, I'll board, I'll show you how to groom, I don't know how much more I can do but tend feed and pay for your vet care and that I'm not going to do.
What ever happened to saving? What ever happened to making a decision and putting some money aside? People can buy a thousand dollar dog, you don't have to have the money in your account right then. Save for six months, save all winter. Maybe don't go out to eat one time less a month and don't buy something new just becuase it matches something or looks good.
If most of us look at where our cash goes, in a few months we can find that extra thousand dollars. Many breeders will even take payments if you MUST have THAT pup right now, but frankly, I think that falling in love and must having that one dog now is what gets many people in trouble.
I have not yet been answered, in years now, why saving for your new dog is not an option.
Icy, I think that most people don't save for a dog because buying a dog can sometimes be an impulse thing. I know my bf and I were not looking to get a puppy. We were bored because we stayed at school during the summer (=ghost town in the summer) and we went to the pet store. Just looked. Cute puppies, oooh, ahhh. You know. The next day my boyfriend strolls into my work carrying a little chihuahua-Ace.
I just think people decide to get a puppy and are so excited to get one they just want it now now now.
Icy hound, I did save for my dog, I had the choice of a male for 300. or a female for 450. I chose the 300. b/c I figured I would use the extra for vet bills. In the 2 mos I have had him what with pet deposit at my apartment ,shots, toys ect...... I have spent 1200.00 I did not ask the breeder if she did genetic testing, She may. Her dogs were happy healthy ect. What makes her not legit? That was my question to begin with. You are a breeder, what makes your dogs bred properly and others not? Every since I got on this site I have heard of backyard breeders. I even was called a Miller myself. Ive NEVER bred anything. I understand the concept of Puppy mills but every breeder Ive ever known uses their yard.
Tess I guess I'm just irrate b/c seems like everyone lumps all breeders together. It seems like there is some hidden club for the elite breeder, who of course are all on here. lol As a protective fur mommy I feel insulted. Its like saying oh your breeder dosen't show so your dog is defective. So I growl, my dog is perfect!!!!!!!! Sorry but I'm sure even tho genetic testing helps and is great they probably pop up a few bad dogs as well. I personally think the problem is with the people who purchase and abandon these dogs. And the so called puppy mills are just are simply disgusting. For myself, someone that breeds as a hobby and spends alot of time with their dogs and tries to improve the line is what I was looking for.
I certainly agree with the last comment made by tessa. Back yard breeders does not mean "all" people who breed in a back yard are ignorant and selling poor quality puppies. Fact is all breeders have a backyard!! haha No but for real I think it's a false theory that you get upset for paying a breeder good money for a dog then it ends up having problems. If you go and get one from the shelter, is it cleared of having problems (absolutely not). Truth is you shouldn't buy a pet if you can't afford the upkeep no matter what it is. Yes I think it's always good to do your research and you should buy from a breeder you trust, one that truly cares about the breed and will educate you on the deficiencies but don't lump all breeders together whether they are byb or any other type. It just doesn't make sense to do that. Can't we all just get along :)
I purchased from a byb because I was an uninformed consumer. I didn't think it would end up costing me more in the long run with vet bills due to genetic problems.
BYB doesn't mean you breed in your backyard everyone has a yard LOL you are making a literal translation. When I say it's raining cats and dogs would you actually look out your window to see a poodle?
BYB usually means they breed more than one type of dog, usually 3 or more breeds. They produce more than one litter a year, they crossbreed, they sell their dogs to the highest bidder, they sell to people without asking for vet references etc , they do not breed to enhance the breed
A co-worker of my mothers breeds dogs as a hobby, I say hobby because she has a full time job. She only breeds them once they win several awards, she has them tested etc in other words she does her homework first. She screens all potential new owners as well. Her dogs live inside the home and she makes sure they have good temperaments too. I am sure she does a lot more stuff before she breeds, I am just naming a few things.
I could have saved money to buy a dog but I was unaware of why there was such a big price difference ..... now I know why. I thought back in the day that $1,000 for a dog was nuts. Well I have spent over $5,000 on this dog to date and he is not even old. Who knows what else will show up down the road.
As for having a hard time adopting ... what pound did you visit ? Our pound puts down 2 dozen dogs a week -- they would be happy to give you any dog or dogs you want as long as you pay to get them fixed. I foster dogs from the pound because they are about to be put to sleep and I know they are adoptable. If you vist your local shelter you just fill out a form pay $50 or so then you get your dog. Like I said what pound did you visit. 25% of dogs in the pound are purebred.
I am not telling people what to do however I am just sharing my experiences. After volunteering at the pound I am very much against byb and puppy mills. Spend some time at your pound then come talk to me.
I know what the definition of back yard breeder is, I was just being light hearted since sometimes we get too serious.... however I do agree with what you say about people who just breed for the buck and don't take care of thier animals and don't do the "homework" I'm truly sorry for your experience, it seems to be very difficult. Ofcourse if I'm spending 5000 or more on a dog I would be a little upset too. Good luck to you on future purchases and that's great that you've spent time at the pound, I think more people should.