I keep seeing this one ad about "protection dogs for sale".. WHY I ask, WHY GET A DOG for protection... better to get an alarm system. Dogs trained for protection are dangerous.
Also, why buy a pet at all unless you plan to show it. There are plenty of pets available for adoption from humane societies and rescue groups and animal controls who need love too. They may not come with a pedigree and you may not know who their great-great-uncle is, but it doesn't mean their capacity to love is any less.
If a person is interested in a pure-bred pet, 25% of all animals surrendered to shelters are pure-bred, you just have to look. There are also breed rescues.
Just wondering why a site for pet lovers would advertise guard dogs.
Someone pays for this website and the ads are their customers who pay to keep their dogs advertised.
I think if they do sell guard dogs they should put the "owner prospects" threw training themselves to educate them about how the dog is trained and what languages the dog is trained under. If they don't want to go threw the training courses themselve they don't NEED a dog like that.
Yes without the HUMAN knowing what they are doing with a highly trained dog like that, it can be very dangerous.
I know many dogs properly trained for protection and they are not dangerous?! Why would you make such a statement??? Yes if trained improperly they could potentially be dangerous but no more than an unsocialized chained dog.....
I have a rescue dog mix that I adopted from the humane society, and a labrador retriever that we bought with the intent to show him.
Even though I don't give a rip one way or the other, some people absolutely want to know the background of the dogs they are buying. For example, bad temperaments and bad genetics are hereditary.. The vast majority of the time, you will hve no idea about a rescue dog/pup's temperament or the health of its parents, so regardless of how it's raised, there's some uncertanties there. I know people who've adopted dogs that they've spent literally thousands of dollars on. I also know people who've rescued dogs that have had severe temperamental and aggression issues. Also, some breeds are *extremely* hard to come by in humane societies and even rescues. And many people want puppies so that they have a certain hand in their dog's training from 8 weeks and beyond. It's virtually impossible to find a puppy under 6 months old in a purebred dog rescue organization.
I think it shows poor taste to point our fingers at people who buy dogs with health guarantees from responsible breeders instead of adopting. Instead of saying, "You're a bad person because you are buying this purebred dog instead of adopting!" we should instead place more blame on poeple who are irresponsible dog owners, who put their dogs up for adoption because he sheds, barks, digs, drools, tracks dirt in the house, etc etc etc. The people who see their dogs as disposible commodities are by far the bigger problem.
there are tons of reasons why one would buy a dog instead of rescuing one. the choice for me was the breed i own has a lot fo charcteristics that are not for everyone so getting a puppy would insure me to a degree that it would be a fit for my family. now i also have a foster dog of the same breed.
and dogs trained for protection, who have been trained by experienced trainers, are some of the most highly trained of dogs out there. and the theory that because they are trained in protection that will make them a dangerous dog is a myth.
That is a *very* good point someone made, if you have children under the age of about 12, many humane societies and dog rescues will not even consider you as a dog owner, regardless of your experience or willingness to commit alifetime to dog ownership.
Minniyar has said it very well. And in spite of popular perceptions, it is becoming very difficult to "adopt" from rescues. Just look at all the posts here and on other sites from people trying to adopt and not even getting so much as a response back. this is something that happened all the time with several nationwide rescues I helped. I finally quit. The least a rescue can do is send "thank you we will get back to you". And a number of homes they ignored would have been perfect even by the strictest of policies. Sad.
***Edited By: PixiedustPapillons on 9/13/2005 12:17:12 PM*** Reason: spelling
i just want to add that another reason for buying from a breeder is availability of the breed. we wanted french bulldogs. they are a very rare breed in my state. only two breeders in the state and both had at least a two year waiting list. there is no rescues here and the rescues in other states do not ship. i have never seen any in the shelter or the newspaper. so adopting from a rescue or shelter was not an option for us.
Beyond that, dogs are not always avaliable. I've been turned down by rescues. Why? For one, I work full time. For two, I have unalatered dogs. How my unaltered dogs would breed an altered rescue is beyond me, but those are reasons why many rescues would not adopt out to me despite the work I have done with rescues and fostering and placing dogs and cats over the years.
Adopting is not always as easy as people think it is. The pound where I used to live required a 12 day clearance as well as deed checks, and home inspections, and all dogs to come to the shelter to meet the adoptee. I would never take my dog to a shelter, they harbor a lot of infectious diseases you cant ake home and inbed in your soil. Beyond that, many dogs and cats die at that shelter from contagious diseases before hte 12 day waiting period is over.
Sadly, it is easier to just go out and buy a new pet sometimes. Many people become fustrated with being turned down or having their lives ripped apart.
Yeah...that dog looks just miserable..I mean, you can see where that child is just torturing it to death...NOT (cute dog by the way)
Did I mention that I've been to the humane society? Not once....but every day for over a month....and I got turned down. "that dog jumps fences, that dog breed doesn't do well with children (that was a spaniel by the way), this dog has too much energy for small children(bordercollie cross), this dog is too laid back for small children(some mixed breed), these type of dogs don't do well with children, this dog is sweet but isn't available until whenever and there are just so many people in line for her (which is why she'll still be here next month when you come in to try this futile attempt at adopting a dog again), this dog is too big for children, this dog is too small for children, etc, etc, etc." .....whatever.
I'll stick with a breeder, obviously the humane society needs job security.
I have 3 rescues - all of which I adopted knowing full well that rescues come with possible baggage. (My vet volunteers at the Humane Society 2 days a week, so I didn't have to go through some of the screening with my two sheltie rescues)
Our first was about 9 years ago and he was supposed to be a Border Collie/Siberian Husky mix. He's 85 lbs so I don't think he is either one... We really wanted medium sized dog when we adopt him. Good thing we're not the type of people that would have taken him back when he got too big. We just built a bigger fenced area with higher fencing. He's been very healthy and he is the sweetest dog - but not everyone who is looking for a 50 lb dog really wants an 85 lb one or has the means to care for one. For starters he eats a lot more than we originally anticipated.
Our second was a pure bred Sheltie. She was very badly bred, very poorly socialized, and had luxating patella in both rear knees. I took her on knowing I could give her a good home and financially cover her vet bills. She took over a year to house break because she was afraid of everything and would urinate every time she was frightened. She also has a problem with nipping when she is scared of new people so I have to be careful with her around strangers.
Our third is a pure bred DEAF Sheltie. My vet specifically asked us to take her because she knew we were familar with the breed and my sister is hearing impaired so we understand that hearing issues aren't really a handicap if you accomidate the dog/person. Elly was dropped off by her breeder because she couldn't sell her and didn't want to try and keep her herself. She is now thoroughly obedience trained, knows about 20 different signs, and is very happy. In fact, you wouldn't know she was deaf unless someone told you. Again, we took her on knowing she had baggage.
The average family with children ideally wants a healthy dog (who WANTS to spend $2000 on vet bills when they can spend $500 for a great, healthy dog who was bred from healthy lines) that is well socialized and bred from lines with sound temperament. I raise shelties and yes, I sell them. I also don't breed a litter unless I have at least 50% of the possible puppies spoken for before I breed the parents to insure they will all have good homes that I've screened.
Rescuing is great if you understand that you may be commiting to a dog that has health and temperament isssues. It's people that just go out and rescue a dog without knowing this that usually drop the dog back off at the shelter later. That's not any better for the dog. They deserve forever homes - not some where to check in and check back out again. Rescuing a dog often means commiting more time and money than you would when purchasing from a good breeder. (Emphasis on the word GOOD)
If you have the time and financial ability to rescue - it should be your first option. But it's not for everyone.
Not everyone can handle a rescue dog either. Some have alot of behavior problems, health problems, are poorly socialized, don't get along well with other animals... etc. I used to volunteer at a shelter and too often people would bring a dog back because they couldn't handle him/her. It was sad.
I got my pup from a breeder because I was looking for specific traits in a dog. And I got what I wanted, because it was best for me and my family. I was not ready to handle a shelter dog because I wasn't experienced with dogs. I've learned a ton since getting my puppy and maybe in the future I will rescue.
I HAVE rescued three cats, though. And have never regretted it.
***Edited By: thelifeofriley on 9/13/2005 10:26:39 PM*** Reason: add
Abbylynne, I myself have never got a pet at the humane society. However I am a house manager at a facility for people with disabilities. Last year in a effort to provide therapeutic care and companionship for our MRD patients "they" adopted a dog for one and a cat for the other. The dog was a lab mix which I thought would be fine as I had a lab for years and my Aunt raised them. This poor dog would pee himself if you even looked his direction. He was frightened of his own shadow and I really didn't even know where to start with him. As you can imagine it was especially hard as I didn't live with him. The cat was supposedly litter trained. NOT. That cat was wild. The scratches we sustained were unreal. To make a long story short one of the program directors ended up taking the dog as she lived in the country. He became an mostly outside dog. The cat well, the executive director came out to tour the house and got scratched, drew blood. Cat went back to pound next day. I was on vacation or would have taken it myself. The plan was great as it would be nice to rescue those animals however the reality was really a nightmare. I was so upset to discover the cat had been returned. It would have been much better for all had they gotten a puppy and kitten bred locally and for sale.