Mods it is pretty crappy hearing all the questions about the same topic. Please clarify for us what is a mill, byb, legit breeder. Maybe we can finally stop arguing about the subject. If we hear from intelligent people like scout1 and Icy we can finally put a period to this sore subject. Some people honestly do not know the difference and your input would be most helpful to this forum. Your job is to help and inform so here is your chance.
Are you serious? first off i do not see you signing pay checks, so telling people what thier job is, is above your pay grade. next these revolving questions, will continue to revolve because we get new members everyday. you are just as qualified as scout or icy to inform people on this board.
I didn't mean it's their job as in profession. They are volunteers but they are well respected in this site so others will believe their word. Why are you making this statement negative? I think it's sad that many others do not know about mills and byb. The intelligent and knowledgeable mods whom I addressed the question should answer for the good of others and to preserve the sanity.
If thats all he has to go on that doesn't say much.
He has no no idea at all why he is attacking me other then,,,,,, Oh heck you read the other threads.
But I tell you one thing, if he is trying to HURT ME as bad as he thinks his ignorance does, that goes to show us all how utterly hurt he is feeling about his own rejection of everyone he was trying to torment.
THE POOR THING!
***Edited By: peanutmypoodle on 9/16/2005 10:39:07 PM*** Reason: *
just to answer, Why do i make the statment negative? well, I do not believe i was the first one to state something with a negativity to it. you can say what you want, and tell me all about how i am taking it wrong. but i just am not buying it.
life your comment is mean. very mean. this is the negative attitude i am talking about. some people need to grow up. we are here because we all love animals. please be kind to everyone even peanut. peanut can say some mean stuff but your comment crossed the line. you are very cruel. peanut tries to be nice to people. everyone should do the same. she has good intentions but gets defensive at times.
You didn't ask me the question but I'm going to answer anyway (I'm just like that...).
A good breeder does the following :
Only breeds healthy dogs - this means their current general health status as well as inheritable defects.
Understands that when they choose to have even ONE litter of puppies that they are accepting responsibility for every puppy they produce for the entirety of the dog's life. They are prepared to keep and care for any puppy born with a problem that would make it unsuitable as a pet. They are prepared to take back any dog that is a in a home that can no longer care for it. They also accept responsibility for the physical and mental health of their puppies as far as inheritable problems are concerned (ie: willing to stand behind a puppy that has a defect).
Is breeding with the wellbeing of the breed in mind at all times. They understand the purpose (including the standard) of the dog, and understand WHY their breed was originally created and that the integrity of what makes them great dogs is important.
Offers a minimum of a 2 year health guarantee (one year guarantees mean nothing because most defects don't surface until after one year of age). They can confidently do this because they know and understand the history of their lines and ideally have tested for defects/disorders common for their breed.
Here's a BIG point - They provide AT LEAST the same level of care and attention to their dogs that YOU plan to provide to yours. You're adopting a family member - how does a breeder know if their dogs produce puppies with ideal temperament to be family members if their dogs are locked in a kennel or outbuilding? I personally feel that breeders should take BETTER care of their dogs than the average pet owner because since dogs are our lives we should know better. Breeding dogs should also be receiving excellent food and care because in essence, we ask them to work for us. Dogs used for Sled Races are on special diets and pampered because they WORK for their owners. They enjoy their work, but it's still asking additional of their bodies. Working dogs need to be given the royal treatment because WE ask them to do more than just be pets.
In my opinion, and from my experience, if you talk with a breeder and they aren't feeding a good food, they don't provide the best in vet care, they don't allow their dogs to live in their home with them, they don't raise their puppies in an enviroment similar to what you will be having your dog in, and aren't doing everything they can to make sure the puppies they bring into this world won't cost their future owners an arm and a leg in vet bills - then they aren't a good breeder.
The terms "Puppy Mill" and "Backyard Breeder" are open to interpretation. Everyone you talk to will have a different definition of what one is to them. You also find that we each define them based on our own experience, where we have gotten puppies from, and how we raise our puppies.
My definitions : Puppy Mill - a breeding operation that produces large numbers of puppies with no regard for the wellbeing of the parents or the puppies. Their dogs are treated much in the same manner that general livestock are treated, and they breeder knows little about the breeds. They are only breeding to make money and don't feel it necessary to have any sense of responsibility to the puppies or the families that adopt/purchase them.
Backyard Breeder - a breeder that has little to no knowledge of how to safely breed dogs, or of their breed. They breed to enjoy puppies, to make money, or as an excuse to stay home with their children and still bring a wage in. They don't WANT the responsibility of worrying about whether the puppies are healthy, or whether they find good homes. Backyard breeders often have litters out of their garage, their laundry room, or some other location not conducive to safely raising a healthy litter.
What about all the things in the middle? I don't know. I'm a firm believer that these two categories leave a lot of holes concerning where other breeders lie. I am one person that doesn't feel you have to show your dogs in order to be a responsible breeder (I do feel you should understand your standard and be realistic about the qualities of your breeding dogs). I also don't think having more than 1 litter a year makes you a Puppy Mill.
I think people need to learn to ask questions when looking to buy a dog. I think they need to find the breeder before they find the puppy, and be prepared to wait for the right puppy from that breeder. I think they need to understand that usually if the price it much lower or much higher than the average that there is a reason AND that you shouldn't JUST look at the price. I think people need to research their breeds and have a basic knowledge about the breed before they contact a breeder so that they can ask appropriate questions and they will know a good answer from a bad one. I also think people need to have common sense. If the breeder raises 6 breeds and has 200 dogs then they probably aren't your first choice. If they have one male, one female, and don't do any health testing and don't show and don't offer a health guarantee, probably not a good option either.
This is a great question - unfortunately you going to see a different answer from everyone. And if you don't like revolving threads - don't read them. :) I for one, don't read EVERY posting...