I have never met one or owned one, but in my DOGS USA magazine in the breeder's section I have seen pictures of them. The Cane Corsos look too me, hideous and ugly. The Presa Canarios are worse, so I guess that Corsos look nicer than Presas...*cough* They are not as droopy. There was that one Diane Whipple case where a lady's presa canario got out of the apartment and attacked Whipple. The dog got her jugular vein and killed her. I am not saying that all of them are like, that, but it kinda puts a bad impression on the breed. The Cane Corsos seem.....nicer? What do you think?
They are mastiff breeds. I like the way they look when they don't have their ears clipped down to nothing. I have heard quite a few cases of people being killed or seriously injured by them. They are extrememly territorial. They require lots of socialization. Ones that are not can be very aggressive.
I think you can't judge an entire breed based on the actions of a few dogs. As I recall, the people who were caring for that Presa canario that killed the lady were training them to be attack dogs for two inmates in the california penal system. I blame it on them, they couldn't keep their dogs under control, and given the mastiff type dogs natural protective habits, they probably made a monster out of a good dog.
Both look nice, I don't like droopy Cane Corsos and the Presa's look a lot similar to a large Pit Bull. Too much dog for me and I don't like guard dog breeds and don't want the responsibility, but they look nice and are pretty good breeds. Unless you get one from the wrong breeder, well I know a dog like this scared to death of everything, won't walk, cowers, has its tail tucked, tries to hide, must be drug out of its crate. The idiot breeder actually said this is how Cane Corso pups are supposed to be they have a natural fear of strangers and the buyer is still a stranger to the pup. The whole litter was like this about 3 months old, think its been 2 more months with not so much improvement. Here is what I wrote on the breeds previously. The Presa is a slightly smaller in size and weight. They are conformed differently. They have different temperments. The Presa requires a more dominent owner and one who is always in control. The Corso less dominent and wants to please. The Corso is more of a family dog, and really gentle. The Presa can also be a good family dog but requires a firmer owner and to know it is below others including young, small children. While the Corso is submissive and naturally loving of small children. The Cane Corso originated in Italy and their roman ancestors were used as big game hunting dogs and also as warriors on the battle field. They have still been used for hunting and also for protective and guard work along with cattle work. The Presa was developed in the Canary Islands. They were created from a native breed crossed to english mastiffs. They were sometimes used in dog fights for entertainment. The Presa was a great guard and protection dog and used as defense against wild animals.
I really don't think that it matters how much you socialize a presa or a corso. They were bred for fighting, and not very many people have them. That means that they haven't been bred very much(because they aren't very popular) so the tempernment is more grounded in them rather than the pitbull, who once was mean but because of so much breeding to eliminate that trait, they are much nicer now. Put in a simpler way: The presas have not gone through very much tempernment selective breeding. So, unless some serious breeding takes place, the presa canario is never gonna be a stranger and pet loving golden retreiver.
if you read i think it is april or may's dog fancy a cane corso is one of the featured breeds. there is a lovely article on them. i think they are striking dogs and given the right temperament family can make very good dogs. some people that buy these types of dogs really have no idea what they are getting involved with and can unintentionally turn a good dog into not so good. alot of breeds were bred to perform certain functions. when people buy them and don't use them for there original purpose or don't channel the dog's instincts into other outlets you will then wind up with problems. working breeds not given something to do will find their own job and usually not one the owner would appreciate. again it boils down to matching the right breed to the right owner.
Chili Pepper thanks for taking the time to read it. Its an opinion view but based on facts. Although I think you shuold do more indepth research and talk to owners/breeders before making a negative assumption about any breed and research APBTs in the same way if you are going to comment on them. Not very many people having them is a good thing, otherwise they would be destroying the breed. Like they currently are now that they are getting popular, like the Corso I mention horrible dog I wouldn't be shocked if he turned out to attack someone from his fear aggression including a family member. They were and are not bred for fighting, Presa's were sometimes supposedly used in dog fights for entertainment on the island a very long time ago. Otherwise they were used for guarding/hunting and a dog to have around to keep the house and family in it safe. A novice shouldn't have them and they need a lot of training and socializing, they will then be good dogs but not excepting of strangers. People should know before they buy that there dog doesn't take to strangers walking around there property entering the home but should teach the dog the proper inhibtions. Not being popular is good and not allowing too many breeders to destroy it with their bad breeding practices. However the popularity is growing and we are already seeing dogs of poor breeding practices and bad owners. The Corso pup and the dogs in the Whipple case. Thats what popularity does. Pit Bulls were never mean and the most trusted dogs, it is only now in this day and age that we have aggressive mean dogs due to their popularity and BYB explotion in the 80s in which they became very popular. Instead of them having their good grounded temeperament they were bred away from everything they were supposed to be and now we have lots of aggressive dogs than in the past and attacks. They were never mean dogs, the popularity has caused this. Well they aren't meant to be and shouldn't be like a Golden. All breeds are different and that the reason we have them. I'm glad APBTs are not like Goldens or I wouldn't own them. Breeders shouldn't change their breeds to be like others.
The Diane Whipple case,Bane and Herra where Presa Bull Mastiff mixes. Both where kept on a farm with out any social contact with strangers. When Majorie knoller and her husband took these dogs,they came from a a farm into a very small apt,2 very big dogs. Big mistake.This was not the dogs fault.What happened was very sad all the way around.
They are Mastiff breeds. I don't jugde an entire breed based on the actions of a few. They are nice, but I don't like Cane Corsos, they are too droopy, and Presa Canarios just lok like a large Pit Bull. It doesn't matter how much you socialize you Presa Canario or Cane Corso. The Cane Corso seems less aggressive. DogFancy April's dog is a Cane Corso. By the way, thanks for taking the time to read this, if you do. I am going with True_Pits on this one.
I like (not sure in what regard) both breeds. Presa Canarrios can be extremely dangerous if they are not carefully handled. They are both adorable dogs, though. I love mastiff and bully breeds. I heard about a lady who was mauled and (if your squeamish, stop reading) basically eaten to death by the dog. Chili pepper- I totally see what you mean. Presas are the only dogs I fear and the only ones I would be afraind to come across in a dark aley at night (alothough, I still maintain they are cute- of course this coming from a sickeningly obsessed dog lover) But I do think that they can be tamed to be good workers and loyal dogs with a milder temperament given they are extremely well handled by a very experienced person. True_Pits, I read your paragraph and it makes sense to me. It's kind of what I was thinking, but I never know how logical I really am.
just my 2 cents the cane corso and the presa canario can be just as loveable and trainable as the pit bull terrier .they need a dominant owner and lots of soicalization when they are young .its like owning any untrained mastiff breed ,a saint bernard or great dane could be dangerous when untrained .
Well, they definettely(spelling) were used for fighting, and that is why people are trying to breed that over-dominant trait and the agressiveness out. Pit Bulls once were actually dangerous, but because of responsible breeders they have become well loved and popular dogs. I really don't find presas or corsos "cute". (Although the pups look adorable). And it is true, if you don't socialize a great dane it will become agressive, but not as agressive as a presa or a corso. And people, please stop telling me that it is a mastiff breed, I knew that when I wrote my first word on this thread. (I know that you are just trying to help though, so please don't take that wrong!) Anyways, I still don't think that the presa canario or the cane corso is the best dog for a family. Those kind of dogs are more of a "One Man Dog".
There are so many different dog breeds out there to choose from. Why take the chance? And if you do decide to get one, I hope you are a well experienced dog owner. If you are not, you should not get the breed. There are over 200 AKC breed, plus many UKC, plus many mixed breeds. You do not have to choose the 2 breeds you are looking at. Why do you need a dog like that?
<> I guess you are going to totally disregard what people say, even if what your saying might not be the truth you dont care? As far as fighting Corsos were never used for that, their ANCESTORS way back when were used as gladiator and war dogs as much as can be told, this was by the romans. Presa MAY have been but no one knows this to be true or not. They were probably much too aggressive for it and large, I'm sure some people would have done it on the island for entertainment but they were and are not functional for this. They were also much too valued to do any serious type of fighting because they were mainly guard dogs and large game huners. They had to protect the home front (which contained the family as in children) from intruders and dangerous wild animals that could be found on the island. So SOME MAY have been USED for fighting but never bred for it. Actually many dogs are claimed to have been bred for fighting, lots are ancestors others are the breed yet this isn't documented anywhere its just the people making up their breed history like many fanciers of a breed have done when they have the breed recognized by a registry. <> Okay when exactly were Pit Bulls dangerous and how would you know this? I'm not saying a pit bull and that some are not dangerous. But you can't judge a whole breed by one dog. People say they ARE dangerous today, tomorrow, so when were THEY once dangerous, how would you know this, where is it documented? Sorry that I don't understand this statement I though I explained breed popularity negativity? And that these dogs aren't and never were dangerous. So I'd like to know when they were and where you found this. Wouldn't you be worried if you owned them. Its important to me and I need to know.
its not the breed its the owner who trains the breed ,sorry but both breeds are in the masstiff family .and like any breed they will favor one owner .both breeds are good with kids but like every breed they have to be watched.
This is basic logic. You get bit my a cocker spaniel (the top face biter of children in the 80's) it will do less damage than being bit my a giant breed. A dog should be watch with children. Two of my kids were bit this week while I was in the room. I was turned the other way, but I was able to separate the dog from the kid quickly. Anyone leaving a dog completely unattended or unsocialized is asking for trouble. The breed is really of no consequence.
OK True Pits, you want to know where I got this? I got my sister a pitbull book and in the History part it said that they were once used to bait bulls, as with bulldogs. I think that you are just saying that I am wrong because you own the breed, and you want it to sound as good as possible. Oh, Presas were used for fighting, because nobody would breed a dog so agressive as that unless they wanted it to be used to fight or bait bulls, etc... Oh, and can you stop quoting what I say? I hate that.