Chili Pepper I think you better get some knowlege on the American Pit Bull Terrier before you start to condem the breed. Why don't you read about them and their history before you make a comment such as yours.
I agree with the others, Chili. You are making all dogs of some breeds guilty even though there's no evidence of a crime. Yes, 'pit bulls and mixes' lead dog bite statistics. But mastiff type dogs like the cane corso and presa canario aren't pit bulls, and they're no where on the list. Yet they are automatically guilty? Labs and their mixes are 2nd by far over all other dog breeds, are they dangerous dogs? A yorkshire terreir has killed someone!! It's a dangerous dog breed and needs to be banned! Yeah. Ok, that makes sense. The thing I hate most about dog bite statistics is they don't give the circumstances under which the dog bite took place. And where'd you learn that pit bulls were bred to kill?? That's a new one on me. They were bred to fight other dogs. Not attack people.
are these dog bite statistics higher for labs because there are soo soo many of them that you are likely to come in to contact with one as opposed to let's say a chow who i think would be more likely to bite then a lab but seeing as how they are not as common as labs they would fall lower on the statistic scale?
Actually, I was wrong. Dogs classified as 'pit bulls' were first on dog bites, rottweilers are 2nd. Labs are on the list, but they're down below akitas. Sorry for the misinformation!! Here's a report by the US CDC on reported dog bite attacks. What is annoying is that so many people who get bitten by small dogs like terriers and such never report it. Note, this report requires adobe acrobat to read. http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
Chili Pepper may be just a troll? Remember the other thread where they said Pit Bulls were dangerous and unpredictable and now on this thread its Presa & Corsos and Pit Bulls are popular and bred to be friendly but now on the exact same thread where they said they were bred to be friendly they are dangerous killers again.....lol Keep changing the story, don't know what your talking about and can't admit when your wrong. Thats really immature. I said probably the #1 stolen breed. The only dogs that I've seen stolen are Pits, a few Boxers, a white GSD and a few other different dogs. But mostly Pit Bulls and I protect mine with a vengence. I hate dog theives!!!! It can only be one of 2 things, Chili has a severe lack of knowledge or they like playing dumb and being a troll. And they can't even read! I'm not against people who have reading problems but if they don't even try?? And I never said Doberman's were not loving? Actually a Doberman breeder in a neighboring town lost her insurance so she had to get State Farm from where I live. There are many breeds black listed, Pits, Dobies, Rotts, Chows, Bulldogs, bullmastiff. GSD, Shar Peis, it depends where you go. You said PITS are bred to be NICE but now their conveniently "dangerous" again since you couldn't admit that tehy were ever dangerous and the aggression bred out of them. Atleast I know the truth and have the security of knowing directly where my dogs came from and that they were bred properly. The insurance of knowing that they have been bred as their people loving breed that they are for 200 years. Can't believe its already 2004...lol that responsible owners would never keep an aggressive Pit, that responsible breeders would never keep/breed an aggressive Pit, at a show you are disqualified for having an aggressive Pit and its against the standard? That should tell YOU something. I don't think that Chili wants to learn about anything, just make up facts. They used the line abuot Pit Bulls being bred nice just so they could put down the Presa and when some one caught them on that now Pit Bulls are terrors again and not nice and bred to kill..lol No where in documented history did it say they were aggressive or bred to kill. Presa's are not that aggressive either and Cane Corsos surely are not. 2 Presa mixes killed one person terrible but not a rep of the whole breed.
I have heard of so many more people being bit by small breeds. The reason it is not reported is probably because the bites are ussually less severe. A larger dog can do more damage in one bite than a smaller dog. When I groomed I was never bit by a large dog. I can't even remember how many times a little shih tzu or yorkie would whip around and grab my hand. Personnally if someone's dog bit me, and it did not result in medical treatment I would not report it. The arguement can also be made for people who are afraid of large dogs and will report it more often, but I really think that the severity of the bite would effect the amount of bites reported.
supermommy that is probably very true to. There was a young girl here bitten by a Westie mix and the dog literally took a chunk out of her. This breed isn't big at all, its a small breed. But it bit just right and has sharp teeth and it was sick because the flesh was hanging off. She went to the hospital where she was treated, stitched up, given crutches and meds. The owners said "He just doesn't like kids" Thats all they had to say, they have a daughter and that is the reason the girl was playing in the yard with her friend. This was a terrible bite and the girl couldn't swim or much else and this was during her summer vacation. What made it worse is the bite got infected. This bite wasn't reported (it may have been to the hospital), but not to law enforcment and the people didn't sue for medical bills. The ironic thing is this girl has been raised around Pit Bulls a very kid friendly breed, but one that can do a lot of damage. The oldest of them is 9yrs and she's about 11yrs old.
When my son went to the hospital for a dog bite 2 years ago the RN told us to report it. The hospital did not do it for us. Not that I expected them to. It was actually a HUGE pain in the arse to file the bite. I would not have went through the trouble for and neighbor or a friend. Most small breed bites happen in the home of the people that own them (in my opinion). I was bit by a neighbors dog as a kid. (it didn't try to bit me; it jumped up with its mouth open and caught my cheek) My doctor went ballistic and involved the police. If everyone reported bites everytime I am sure that small breeds would top the charts.
It is really unfortunate that the report label them as a "rare and dangerous breed." It seems that an unbias report would have included things the owner could have done to prevent the attack as well as how to act when approaching a strange dog. This is a terrible thing that has happened and the report is very one-sided against the dog and not against the owners or breeders.
Presa's got a bad rap when a woman got killed by one in CA a few years ago. Mind that the dog was bought from a breeder who was breeding for the soul purpose of protection/ aggression traits. The people who owned those Presa's were 100% responsible for having that kind of dog in an apartment complex. That type of Presa belonged in a fenced-in back yard or used for being a guard dog. So any dog with proper socialization and training can make a good pet provided that the particular breed was not bred for aggression traits. Cane Corso's I have long been a admirer of. I plan to buy one when I get my house. I love both but of the two I pick Cane Corso.
A dog like that belongs in a dirt hole and owners are very much responsible. having Presa MIXes and training them for convicts and white supremisict to KILL. A Presa can do good in an apartment and are great at personal protection and even guard work. Neither of these two dogs were like that protection dogs don't attack and kill people and be uncontrollable.
I just say the girl who was bitten, she was sitting there wearing shorts and still has a terrible scar!! It is about 2x2 inches and has an indention from the top. They did do something the next time she went to the hospital. The first time they just stitches it up. Then it got infected and she went to a different hospital where they had to redo the whole thing, give her meds and try to attach the skin on the sides to make it heal. It is so noticable, little dogs can do damage. I bet if it was a larger dog it probably would have been even worse than this, but it shouldn't really matter, a dog biting is a dog biting. This girl wasn't even bothering or paying attention to the dog. She was just standing there when it ran at her, it bit her on the side of the leg. Kind reminds me that I attacked by a yorkie the last time I went to the vet. All I was doing was going to walk out the door when it charged and bit my pants and I was trying to shake it off, then it finally fell and the man tried to grab it but it growled and was going to come right back. How can people not even control their little dogs??? Its not wonder the big dogs are in so much trouble a grown man unable to handle a yorkie. Or the dog that was acting aggressive to me, a terrier mix, jack russel size and wouldn't come to the owner for anything. He tried to grab it several times and was too scared because it would turn, growl and tried to snap at him but he got his hands back in time. All the while he is telling me don't worry the dog won't bite you!!!! Then it took off and he chased it all over calling it, the dog would stop let him get about 5 feet away and take off running again.
Yes, any dog can attack. I'm sure most people think of Boston Terriers as sweet and harmless, but my friend was randomly attacked by one when she passed it by on the street. Luckily she had just put her 4 month old baby in the car so he was safe, but she ended up with over 40 stitches. It got horribly infected and she couldn't breast feed her baby because of the strong anti-biotics they had her on. I had a blind Boston foster (who is a bit of a fear biter) that bit someone in the leg when we were walking. Luckily, it did no damage and they brushed it off. I've known a few bad Bostons over the years. Still, I love Bostons and think they are a great breed...but poor training and bad breeding can turn any dog bad.
the first dog i was ever bit by was a miniature poodle when i very first started working for a vet 20 years ago. the second time i was bit was just a few months ago and that was by golden retriever. that golden just about degloved my finger. i guess now should i be warning people against getting a golden because one attacked me? i don't think so.
My aunt's mini-dachshund hated me when I was a kid and used to bite me any chance she had. I hated that darn dog LOL...my my other aunt had two of the sisters of that dog and they were great. The one just didn't like kids I guess. (back then, when a dog was nippy, you just learned to avoid it and your parents told you not to touch it, unlike nowadays when a dog so much as growls people freak out and have it pts or dump it at a shelter)
Ok everybody, I should have never even made this topic. People get protective of their breed, just like me and chihuahuas when rude people like iluvflatcoats call them appleheaded rats. Anyways, I am sorry True_Pits, I know that you just love pitbulls and were trying to protect your favorite dogs. Sometimes I just go overboard about breeds that I feel are agressive, and although I don't think that they are the most loyal dog breed in the world, I respect your opinion. I am sorry.
thats cool. But you should listen and then learn about. I think it was ok to bring the topic up, but if some one is trying to talk about real facts of the breed then the other person should take the time to listen instead of assume about things. People should also remember that not every dog within in a breed is perfect or represents that breed well. But "appleheaded rats" isn't a very nice comment, its just an insult with no basis! I don't like Chi's and I have seen some bad things with them, but don't say they are a bad breed or hate them. Its kind of....just a plain insult!!! We love our dogs (all or most of us) and I think we are going to get emotional as human beings being attached and loving our dogs or even specific breed. Of course we should all be honest to about any negatives that come with our breed. Not just all the good things like some people tend to say.
I would like to comment that it seems that Chili Pepper has a negative bias against these breeds. Neither was bred for fighting. They were bred initially for gaurding home and the partiular breed of animal that the family raised. It is best to not make sweeping generalizations about ANY breed, any human or anything for that matter. both are large and powerful breeds, but conversly, they also both make great pets as long as the owner realizes THEIR responsibility. I own a large Macaw who can take your fingers off, but I would not say that Macaws were bred to attack humans either.