my colt foal is now 4 1/2 months old but he is so aggresive towards me and whoever goes in the field. i put him on a headcollar to get him used to it and walk round the field with him and one minute he is fine the next thng hes up in the air and trying to get away from me. i no hes young and doesnt no wot to do but i am taking it slowly with him. also he bites and kicks. help me i need some advive. his mum is still in the field but she is getting annoyed with him as well.
If you havn't weaned him yet, you need to take him away from his mother. Try to get him in a stall, so he only has to depend on humans. Unfortunately he is not old enough to geld. The more he has to depend on you hopefully the friendlier he will become.
Well you should have IMPRINTED him when he was born. If you had done that instead of cold handleing him, he would have been tamed and undercontrol enough to behave.
Sounds like you need to put a halter on him and begin lounging him. If he bites, slap his mouth and tell him no bite. A horse no matter the age will see what he can get way with. If you allow him to nip at you and bite you without slapping his mouth he will make his own rules with you.
I have raised 2 new born foals myself and have never had any trouble out of either one of them because I imprinted them both.
They were so imprinted they thought they were dogs.
Definently round pen him and lounge him, with horses it is important from the begining to handle them with slaps WHEN NEEDED if not imprinted properly. The longer you let him rule over you without conciquence the more out of hand a little STALLION is going to become. Man I wish I could come over there and show you some things to help handle him. Sounds like you may end up needing a horse trainer or letting him get so out of hand he becomes too dangerous for you to handle pretty soon.You will end up selling him because he is out of hand if you dont begin slapping him when he bites at you or kicks at you. Take my word for it, he will know what you are slapping him for, he isnt stupid, no if he is acting ugly like that, he knows exaccly what he is doing. He also knows you dont know how to handle him when he bites or kicks thats why he keeps doing it. Untill you slap him a few a times he will keep acting ugly, once he realises your slaps he will behave a little more.
And take my word for it, slapping a horse does not hurt them, it merely gets their attention.
Never hit your horses with anything other then your bare hand. And if others dont like the fact of slapping a horse for being ugly? I say go handle an untrained horse with his own ideas about biting and kicking you and see if you slap him or walk away before you get hurt. Because a horse who is a stallion or any other horse with attitude will hurt you if you allow him to treat you this way.
Oh well good luck with him.
***Edited By: peanutmypoodle on 9/23/2005 9:17:39 AM*** Reason: *
I would not suggest slapping that baby. That is not a good idea, especially a colt. That is just going to make him more studdy. You do need to get the halter on him, but I would not be lunging him either. His legs are not developed enough to start working that horse. The worst thing you can do with a foal is to man-handle him. It takes lots of patience. But you do need to get him away from other horses so he has to depend on you. He will come around.
I agree with Dahsheepies. Get him weaned and in a stall, then find someone with alot of foal experience to come and show you how to handle him. Smacking him around at this point is not going to teach him anything. He needs to learn manners and respect foremost.
I never said man handle him, there is a difference in man handleing a horse and simply teaching him common manners.
I have been on horseback sense I could walk and I have trained more horses then I care to think of.
Slapping him is not going to hurt him but it will get his attention.
And if he is 4 months old already, he knows exacly what he is doing and what he can get away with without being discaplined.
Go ahead and not slap him if you want him to keep biting and kicking you, its you who have to recover from the injury you will get when he hurts you.
And lounging him isnt going to hurt him a bit, there isnt anything wrong with how strong or able his legs are, especially if he is already using them to kick with in a mean hurtful way at his handler.
Maybe we should recomend him buying books and video tapes to watch made by MONTEY ROBERTS so he will LEARN how to handle a horse PERIOD.
Grant it slapping a horse who is already grown and OUT OF HAND may not change his behavior but this colt spoken of is young enough to be slapped if need be if he is acting ugly at this age.
People have different ways of raising and training their horses, there is no wrong way as long as what you do is working for you.
He wont LEARN manner or respect if you allow him to keep biting and kicking you, and being placed in a stall away from his mother is going to make him more out of hand if you think he is acting ugly now.
The last thing he needs is to be placed in a stall away from his mother at this 4 month old age, a horse should be with his mother up to a year! Even wild horses let their babys suck a year. I think taking him away from his mother will do more harm then good.
And no one said one word about smacking him around, thats not how to handle him when you teach him not to bite, a slap on the mouth is not going to hurt or smack him around but get his attention for the negetive thing he has just done which is BITE.
Being bitten may make you mad enough to haul off and smack him around if you dont do it properly long before his mouth reaches you with his teeth. When you see his mouth open coming at you, slap him then before he bites, he will figure out that isnt something he wants to happen again, and will think twice before making a biting habit out of it if he thinks he will get slapped for it.
Sorry if others dont agree but they dont sound like they have been raising horses for very long otherwise their advice would sound more expierence.
***Edited By: peanutmypoodle on 9/23/2005 9:52:16 AM*** Reason: *
Wow, peanut, I would hate to get one of your horses. Sorry but slapping a colt is a really bad idea. You are slapping a young stud, who is going to grow up to be a nasty stud. Not good. I have been raising horses for years and I would never think of slapping a baby, nor would I think of lunging one.
I agree with Honey, get a good (gentle) trainer to come out and do some groundwork. He will be fine.
In my opinion, he has already reached the point of being far too dangerous. No advice she can get on this forum will be enough. She needs personal help. Advising her to attempt longe a wild horse is a bad idea.
By the way Peanut, there are ways to discipline a horse that don't involve hitting. Maybe you need to go buy a book for yourself.
***Edited By: Honey1 on 9/23/2005 10:15:59 AM*** Reason: add
You should never slap any animal .This doesnt teach them any thing.Colts usually grow out of the biting . Most horse 's will test you. The reason he rears up on you is he is not used to being leaded around. One thing you can do is get a old lead rope that drags the ground and leave it on and let he drag it and he will step on it and learn that he has to stop when pressure is on his nose .Also our horse shoer has this chain halter he puts on the horse that works really good but it seems extreme to me ,he will jerk it once just once and tell the horse no and the horse never moves again after that.But this is most likely for older horses. not really sure about it. but the dragging of lead rope but you have to keep a eye out that he doesnt get hung up in anything it is problaly better used in a stall .
My in-laws gave my husband and I a horse as a wedding present. It wasn't born yet, so we got the pleasure of having a horse from birth and up. Ours was 'imprinted' as well, so we didn't have as many issues. But she definately could have her moments, lol. My husband's family raises Paso Finos, and while his uncle will frequently smack an older horse that nips or doesn't listen, we were always told never to strike at a foal. What you might want to try is get several people to help you lead the foal around. If he starts acting up, have everyone hug into him tightly so that he can't start kicking or freaking out. It doesn't take a lot of people if he's fairly young. When we would walk our foal, it would just be myself, my husband and my father in law. We would pick up her legs and touch her hooves. We would run our hands along her sides and her back. This got her used to being touched so that when she was old enough to be broken in, she wouldn't mind you touching her back and sides. And also, if we had to do something with her legs, she was already used to her legs being picked up. We did all this while she was completely separated from her mum. We would actually take her to the other side of the property, so she was by herself. Horses need so much socialization and touch. I would just make it a note to touch and walk him every single day, and as oftan as you can. If you do it oftan enough, you will notice him starting to accept it and calm down a bit.
Firstly I agree he needs to get used to a halter so that he will, wll, get used to it and you will then have a good foundation of controll. When we walk our foals we take a long lead and put it all the way around them, like around thier side, behind their bum and around the other side. It just kind of keeps them all together~ What you need to do is get someone to lead mama and then lead baby allong with her. You need to do little bits at a time and end on positive notes. you can also bring treats with you and praise praise praise. I think that it is a really good idea to get an expert in- it will cost you a little money but the return will be so great! Also, getting some of the material from Monty Robers is a great idea, he has really good methods for winning the trust and getting a horse to be a willing and affectionate friend. I dont know if you know who he is but he uses the techniques that are sometimes called "horse whispering" it uses the horses natural herd language to develop a repor and understanding between horse and man. there are many who use similar methods but monty is quite well known cause he has written a lot about it and travelled to teach.
Now, Seccondly~ about hitting a baby. It is NOT something that i would reccomend as a training method. I admit, when i am working with a grown horse and they are really bad, I will hit them on occastion but NEVER on the face and not a young baby who is just learning to trust. If you start smacking him around you are going to end up with a horse who's faith in people is shattered.
Also, do you have many other young horses? If he gets to spend a lot of time with a group of other animals in a herd environment, this will help him learn that there is a pecking order and that he needs to know his place and submit when necissary. Obviously if this is not possible then it is not but just wondered.
Slapping a horse in the head is not advisable. It will make him head shy. You need to be working with that horse. You should be brushing him daily, picking his feet, combing his mane and tail. Talking to him, but not slapping him in the head.
You can grab his upper lip and twist it, not enough pressure to hurt him, but twisting it will get his attention and make him realize that what he just did was not right, because it had a bad consequence (a twisted lip).
I remember you now, you were asking for help this spring with your horse, if I remember right and now you have a foal too? How is the dam behaving now?