if you are worried about the rpong coming apart on your walks with her, and it has happened to people before, go and buy a choke collar that is too large for her and put both on and clip the lead to both of the collars. that way she will still have something on if the prong gives way and the choke chain will be big enough not to interfere with the training corrections of the prong
I like them a lot! My Golden Retriever, Kelsey, pulls very hard especially when she wants to visit something. ( http://www.dogster.com/?77332 ) I got it for her when she was 4-months-old and it works great! I still use it and she is 2-years-old now.
I used to think it was cruel until I tried it on myself and I used it on my dog. It's not if used properly. They are a lot more safe than choke collars and they work a lot better too. All the prong collar does is pinch the dog's neck when the leash is tightened but a choke collar does what the name implies...chokes.
I used to use choke collars but my dogs never responded to them, all they did was choke themselves until they were gagging and gasping for air, that still didn't stop them from pulling.
I totally recommend them to anyone who has a dog that pulls or is in obedience classes.
Like with every collar you just have to use them properly.
And also, if it breaks I will connect the leash to the cloth buckle collar she still wears with her tags on it. No worries, I just walked her perfectly. I dont even have to snap it or put much pressure on it.
I've been training dogs for many years and have found prong collars to be one of my most valuable training tools. Anybody who thinks they are dangerous is only going by the way they look. My dogs actually come to me when they see me holding one because they know it is time for some serious work/play. And I have never had one break.
Aceyfacey2 my friends dog broke TWO, so they do break.
either way you all will do what you think is best and that's fine, I personally rather simply train my dogs which I have done successfully over the years. I have never beleived in gimmicks, I've been working with horses and dogs since I was young and so far so good.
I just hope if people choose to use them find out HOW to PROPERLY do so as many people don't, same with choke chains, I see them mis-used all the time.
As well if you insist on using a prong or choke PLEASE take it off if you are at the off leash park, a dog hung up in a prong has got to be one of the worse things I have seen.
Mammamia, can you please give me advice on how to properly train Summer then? Have any of your dogs ever given your hands blisters from holding the leash? It's not fun.
She has got a HUGE hunting instinct and does not listen whatsoever when she is outside. Have you ever met a dog who can climb trees to get to squirrels? Because Summer can.
I do know that Abby, my family's GSD, has never ever needed a choke collar or a prong collar. She was able to be trained very easily without those. It's not that I don't know how to leash train a dog, it's that Summer needs more strict training. I don't plan on using the prong collar forever, but so far it's worked miracles.
I have a Saint mix pup that would pull my arm out of the socket walking my son to the school bus stop because he wanted to be with all of the kids, but would heel BEAUTIFULLY on the way back to the house. I went to Pet Smart and they recommended the Sporn Training Halter. It looks like a standard collar, but has sheeps wool covered straps that go from the front of the collar, under his "armpits" and hook on the back of the collar. Whenever he pulls, the straps, which the leash is actually attached to, pull under his front legs and stops him from pulling. There wasn't even a SINGLE MINUTE after putting this on that he pulled. At first, if he tried, he'd sit down immediatley. Now, he doesn't pull at all. If he thinks about trying, those straps tighten up just a little and he quits.
YES, training the dog is the best thing, but I've had carpal tunnel surgery done on both wrists and pulling a pup as STRONG as he is, is not a good option. He was getting alot better before I got the halter, but now, he's cured.
NO, I DO NOT like the prong collars. IF NOT used properly, they CAN cause injury. But, the success of the collar depends somewhat on the pain tolerence of the dog. We had dogs, PRONG COLLARS INTACT, brought into the shelter I used to work at. Why? They pulled away from their owner. Or so the owner told us when they came to get the dog.
My final opinion is that the prong collar, scary as it looks, isn't terrible. I like the Sporn Halter better. BUT either are USELESS without proper training as well.
You're doing great from the sounds of things. Keep up the training!
Aceyfacey2 your sarcasm is noted and YES you can train your dog if you chose to..... My dog dragged me across a field by my backside and up a cliff? Is that good enough for you? She was also aggressive with humans, and some dogs, I didn't buy a prong.... I worked her and trained her on a flat buckle collar and at times a martingale and she's 100% wonderful now after some work on both our parts.
Dogs don't need gimmicks, they need to be trained, they need to know where their place is in the family. As for some like StBernardMom who has physical restraints well it's slightly more understandable, BUT they shouldn't be a quick fix for those that are able.
I have already said, do as you want to, I choose NOT to.
You keep saying that every dog is trainable, so I asked for advice on training a dog that is very prey oriented. A dog who does not respond to positive reinforcement when outdoors. Summer is very well trained inside, she can sit, roll over, play dead, give paw, stay, come, etc. When outside, though, it is a totally different story.
I asked for advice on how to train her. Do you think I ENJOY putting a collar on my 27 lbs dog's neck that pinches her when she pulls? I have tried everything and do not know what else to do. I have BLISTERS from her. I don't know what to do. I don't like the collar, it looks ridiculous. But it works when nothing else will. If you can offer me advice on how to train with out it, I'd love to hear it. And that is not (and was not) me being sarcastic.
"Dogs don't need gimmicks, they need to be trained" How is this any less of a gimmick than a choke collar or even a regular collar and lead? Its a correction, which can be applied instantaneously. That's why it works so well. Its not a gimmick, its a useful tool. The same as any other correction or training method.
More injuries are caused by jerking on a choke chairn or buckle collar. Damage to the cervical vertebrae, trachea cause by incessant pulling. I think they are great and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to use it. My dog will collapse her trachea going after bikers or joggers before I could ever get her trained the traditional way. I don't see why anyone could oppose it except for ignorance based on the looks of the thing.
By the way, I tried the halti things too. They take an hour to get on the dog and slip off while you're walking and didn't work for me at all. The only other anti pulling device I have used in the past is one where attached to the neck collar is two pieces of lead that go down under the front legs, up and around the back and attach to the back of the collar and tighten if the dog pulls. Those work pretty good too.
Once the dogs bad habits are broken, you can stop using it. But a stubborn dog may always need it and I don't see anything wrong with that, whatsoever.
***Edited By: lalayla on 9/27/2005 12:24:12 AM*** Reason: add
I just wanted to say that I absolutly loooove the prong collars. Without it I wouldnt be able to walk 3 of my large dogs at the same time. Also my Lab Winnie is leash agressive but when i have the prong collar on her she doesnt even attempt to bark or lunge at other dogs. It was the best investment I have made in a while.
As we know each breed and each dog is diffrent. It took 2 sessions with a prong for my GSD to understand why I was pulling at him.
As for summer, she is half beagle. This is a stubborn hound dog whos trates she is exhibiting. The thing about scent hounds is that they are ment to pull. They have been structured to pull and plow through bush. They are not sensitive to leash training at all. Considering summers current age, Acey has taken other methods and has now resorted to a prong. A tool that will help her communicate with a dog who has the genetic enginering behind her not to be responsive to many simple things.
Another reason why so many hounds are not great pets.
To reverse that. My afghans only have 1 or 2 inch martingale collars on outside of the show ring and I have no problems leash breaking them in about 15 minutes and one session.
My mothers bloodhound took about 4 months, and now he can be walked on a showstring becuase he understands what the leash is and what we want from him, and it took him a long time to understand why we didn't want his nose to the ground.
We all have our choices of training tools. I think the head collars are the most disgusting thing ever created, but for some people they work and I try to respect that.
I've used the prong collar on my Standard Poodle. It was recommended to me because my poodle is a big boy (27" at shoulder and 65 pounds, big for that type of dog) and I am so short (62" tall). I was yanking and yanking at him with the chain collar--it made walks miserable.
I tried both the chain collar and the prong collar on my own arm and I found the prong collar much more comfortable. Tommy likes the prong collar much better, too. He trained much more quickly and responsively with it and now doesn't need it all.
But my little rescue, Mickey, was another story. She pulls and wraps the leash around me and is something of a monster on walks. I tried a prong collar on her and the first time she pulled, she SCREAMED, lay down on the sidewalk and refused to budge. I had to carry her home. She trembled the whole way. The trainer at PetSmart said he had never heard of such a reaction to the prong (or pinch) collar. So she wears a flat webbed harness because she pulled so badly on the buckle collar that I thought she would hurt herself.
I'm going to look for the harness that the St. Bernard lady recommended. Mickey was just so abused that training her has not been fun. It took me a long time to train her to come when called, to sit on command and to wait to go out or get out of the car. Staying down seems to be impossible for her. Scolding her just makes her cry. She's come a long way in five years but it has taken oodles of patience.
Tommy the poodle was a dream to train and I highly recommend the pinch (or prong) collar for poodles. I don't know if I would use one on a toy, though.