I just emailed APRI and told them that I was telling people on a pet forum that I liked their service. It was pointed out to me that they are behind mill auctions and support them. I let them have it!! Thanks Scout for pointing that out to me. I will have to rethink that club after seeing that. It is totally outrageous!! Jerks!! Classes on how to be a puppy mill and then we will auction off all your dogs. Real nice........ I let you know what they have to say. It will probably make me more mad. Boy, I am really pissed now!!
sorry it made you so mad jeanie.......but i am glad it may have opened some eyes. i myself was starting to think that maybe there were some legitimate new registries opening because of the distaste some good breeders have for the AKC. apparently i was wrong.
you go jeanief! You'll have to let us know what they say (if they even respond) I personally have nothing against people owning dogs from these other registries. I choose to have only AKC for my own preference and for show reasons. But am also considering double registering due to some issues with AKC legislation, but I will use UKC if I do it.
I think this pet auction business is inappropriate for any registry, and would be just as pissed off too whether it was AKC, CKC, UKC, etc.
All my dogs are AKC too except 1 that is APRI, but I was thinking about switching due the the AKC crap and my friend really like them because of fast and friendly service and cheaper pedigrees to give to the buyers etc. You do have to show the AKC papers or proof of lineage to register with them, so they didn't seem as bad as CKC with just a picture to get papers. I will be sure to open my BIG mouth about this to my friend. Like you all said, how a club can ok something like this is beyond me.
America's Pet Registry, Inc. is proud to announce the APRI sponsorship of the next lectures in the 2005 Professional Pet Breeders Lecture Series with Dr. Bob Page of Dresden, Tennessee. Topics are pending."
Boomer....... APRI does not give classes on auctions. What the people are talking about is a website for an auction service. This website at the very bottom of the page says it is supported by APRI. But just because an organation supports a website that does not mean that it supports all of it contents.
The Breeders Education Series that they give are very helpfull not only to people that breed but anyone that is owned by and animal. They talk about health issues and things like that. Trust me puppy mill people would not waste their time going to an Educational Lecture Series. Because they do not care about the health of thier dogs.
APRI is a very good registery, they are very helpfull and they are willing to do anything they can for you. Try giving them a call and ask them anything you want. It is really nice that a person answers the phone and you do not get a recording and have to push 10 buttons on your phone to get information.
for the love of dogs.......... you can slice it and dice it anyway you want......they support pm's and byb's. it says so throughout their entire site. they consistently say they are in support of distributors, and retail sales of puppies. they even go so far as to say if you buy a puppy from a breeder who has it on limited registration thru the AKC, you can register it thru AKC and then go to them and register it on a full registration........so you can breed it anyway.
breeders put their pups on limited registrations......not because they are not in support of breeding......but because the pup prolly is not the best specimen of the breed.
just click on that link and go read their FAQ section. it is all there. knowing that.........it is not a surprise they host a website for pm dog auctions.
like i said in the thread that seems to have disappeared.....AKC may have cruddy breeders associated with it.......but they ARE NOT in support of retail sales and distribution of dogs .
i cannot find anywhere where it says the rules for this contest but it looks to me like they reward people for buying puppies from pet stores. each winner got their dog from a pet store and both breeder and puppy owner received a check from apri ?
***Edited By: Scout1 on 10/2/2005 1:53:22 PM*** Reason: add
Here ya go scout....this shows how the prize is given....and yes it is to reward people for buying from the puppy mill industry....They are a sickening registry...No better than the auctions or the millers out here and they need to be shut down!!!
The more i read about APRI, the more i REALY DONT like it! My Lab puppie has AKC and APRI Papers, i havent sent the APRI and am starting to wander if i realy should.
That prize is for a drawing they do and if they pick your name, you get how ever much money you spent to buy your puppy. Aperently most of APRI's dogs are pet shop "AKA puppy mill dogs" (not saying all, i know of ALOT of good breeders who double register with this and akc) I realy dont like the thing of how you can have breeding rights when you got a limited (akc) dog, They clearly dont care about the dogs (and the breeder for that matter) if they allow that! there is a reason for limited papers. I am going to breed labs in the future, and if i register the pups with akc and apri, on limited akc, then the APRI will allow full papers, and then whats the point of limited papers?
Scout1........... I am tired of people blaming APRI for irresponsable breeders. If you sell a puppy on a S/N contract, it is YOUR respnsablity to hold the puppy papers untill proof of S/N is done. It is not APRI's job to screen your puppy buyers. You as a responsable breeder should infact do this prior to sale.
If AKC did not promote PM's and BYB"s why do they continue to register hundreds of puppies in a kennnels name. You have to realize that AKC does infact allow this to happen they just like to keep it hush hush.
Just because a site uses the words PET does that make it in support of PMs? If so we all have to ask what site is this? Hmmmm Terrific Pets.......they advertize dogs for sale. Do we asume that everyone on here is running a PM
The contest that you are talking about like I explained last night (and it was deleted) Is where you send in your reciept no matter if you buy the dog from a pet store or a breeder. They put your name in a drawing and if your name is picked they write you a check for the amount of the puppy. If APRI is all about making money why would they do fun little drawings? The rules are there you just have to quit reading the site with blinders on.In order to qualify for the free puppy, the owner must submit the purchase invoice of an APRI dog to APRI within 60 days of purchase. If the dog is being registered, a copy of the purchase invoice must accompany the registration application.
APRI has a code of ethics. If one is caught not following them then all you have to do is contact APRI with proof and they will not let the breeder use this registery again.
AKC does not have a code of ethics. They leave that up to the clubs to do for them. AKC will not stop a breeder from registering puppies even if they are caught giving false papers. They say you have to take matters in your own hands. So I ask why go threw all of the DNA and stuff if AKC will not support their findings? All the DNA does is give extra proof that the puppy is not what the breeder says it is. But they do not stop the breeder from using that registery. All they do is give you extra papers to take to court. And will not let you register the dog. They make extra money and you pay for the court battle.
All I am trying to say here is bad dogs are because of bad breeders not the registery that they are registered with.
To obey and follow all rules and regulations established for pet owners by America’s Pet Registry, Inc. (APRI); To respect all my pets as feeling and caring animals deserving of my devoted care; To provide conscientious care, including attention and socialization, adequate food, water, shelter, and medical assistance for the animals entrusted to me, being constantly attentive to their security, safety, and well being; To obey all state and local laws concerning licensing, identification, and immunizations; To refrain from using my animal(s) in any illegal activity; To conduct myself in a sportsmanship manner at all dog shows and functions; and To make my pet a good pet citizen by assuming responsibility for proper training and behavior modification, if necessary.
Pet Industry Code of Ethics
As an APRI registered member, I pledge:
To obey and follow all rules and regulations established for member breeders, distributors, and retailers by America’s Pet Registry, Inc. (APRI); To encourage responsible pet ownership and an increased public awareness and acceptance of humane and noble animal programs; To provide conscientious care, including adequate food, water, shelter, and medical assistance, for the animals entrusted to me, being constantly attentive to their security, safety, and well being, and to place their welfare above all other business considerations; To obey all applicable federal, state, and local laws governing animal care; To obey all applicable federal, state, and local laws concerning licensing, identification, and immunizations; To never knowingly falsify any records or documents concerning the registrations or pedigrees of my animals; To keep accurate records of all my animals, including registrations, matings, health, show, and, where applicable, USDA, state, and local record requirements; To maintain identification of all my animals by approved methods, including, but not exclusive to, implanted microchips, tattoos, or collars with tags, and to correctly identify the animals with the registration certificates, applications, and pedigrees; To deal honestly and fairly with everyone concerning my animals and to avoid misrepresentation in any form; To avoid unfair competitive practices, any slander or defamation of my competitors, and actions or business practices which would result in dishonor or distrust of my competitors, the pet industry in general, or America’s Pet Registry, Inc.; To help and assist the potential customer regarding the basic characteristics, both physical and mental, of my breed to determine the right breed for them; To provide each customer appropriate APRI registration applications and/or certificates, unless a written contract to the contrary has been signed by the customer; To offer a written guarantee to my customers stating the extent and limits of my obligations concerning the animals once they leave my facility; To provide, within my ability to do so, proper socialization for all my animals; To never breed any animal until it is both physically and mentally mature; To refrain from using my animals for any illegal activity; To conduct myself in a sportsmanship manner at all competitive and fun shows, functions, and seminars; To continue my education and training, as far as available, through, but not limited to, educational seminars, clubs, periodicals, and other respected and knowledgeable members of the pet industry; and To conduct my business in such a way as to bring honor and respect to America’s Pet Registry, Inc.
If you sell a puppy on a S/N contract, it is YOUR respnsablity to hold the puppy papers untill proof of S/N is done. It is not APRI's job to screen your puppy buyers. You as a responsable breeder should infact do this prior to sale.
yes it would be the responsibility of the breeder to follow through with the S/N contract. but how ethical is it for another registry to allow its members not to ? they in fact , by registring limited registrations, are encouraging people not to spay and neuter. its like saying "hey you know what ? we'll register you, and you can breed... no problem. it is promoting total disregard for the future of any breed, as i already stated in my above post.
the code of ethics is nothing. federal,state guidelines as they stand now in the majority of the states, are to provide shelter, food and water. there are no guidelines stating what type of shelter, etc.
we are not just talking either here about byb's. we are talking about puppy mill's..... huge puppymills !!!! and brokers and pet stores ....... everything anyone who even remotely LIKES dogs, would be against, they are in SUPPORT of. while any registry is not fool proof...why put money into one who is so BLATANTLY in support of the most foul of industries on this planet ?
i looked up one of their breeders listed on that site for the breed i own. at the top of the website was a picture of a person giving someone else a box wrapped up like a pretty present....... next to it says ..give the gift that keeps on giving... a puppy !!! further down the breeder lists ALL the breeds she breeds......15 of them. and shows a picture of her kennel. amazing she can fit all the breeds she breeds in that kennel....cause it looked like an outhouse to me. probably smells like one also if she has all those dogs stuffed in to it. like i would EVER buy from someone like that...an APRI endorsed breeder. i'd sooner buy a puppy from the newspaper.
then i have to wonder why so many people are steering clear of the AKC ? maybe it is because the AKC is trying to crack down on the puppymill industry ? by requiring DNA ? so the PM's are having a tougher and tougher time registering with them ? so now they have a registry that will support them. nice....real nice.....
i did not read their website with blinders on......it is what it is. they put the words on their site...not me. they put their name to a website promoting dog auctions...not me.
i actually read all these hokus registries in the hopes of one actually being a good one. i really do. for i am not an AKC fan. but until one crops up that doesnt outwardly promote poor breeding practices and their breeders, AKC, UKC and the Canadian Kennel CLub are the best ones out there.
I checked out the web site you gave me, And to my suprise I have been to one of Dr. Bob Page's lectures. Not at APRI, but one given by a company that brokers all reg. including AKC. He was very informative and intresting. I learned a lot. I found nothing negitive with APRI code of ethics. I did call APRI and asked if they had dog auctions or if they approved them, The ans was a great BIG NO. .......So what is all this fuss about?
Well if that is the case I guess their website lies???? I could be the biggest puppy mill in the world and if you called me and asked me if I was a puppy mill of course I would tell you NO...read their site...It has red flags all over it. You couldn't give me a dog registered with them.
okay maybe you can answer this from your perspective fortheloveofdogs. i have seen that you breed. i am going to try to state this without it coming across as a bashing because that is not my intent. my intent is to more or less understand why someone would register their puppies with this organization.
i think the majority would agree that puppymills are bad. that all registries have their problems.....and even the reputable ones register puppymillers puppies, knowingly or not.
but why would someone, who cares about their breed, cares about the puppies that are born, takes it seriously and tries to do the right thing and be a responsible breeder, register with an organization who so obviously supports breeding as a profession ie: an industry.
that is what animal lovers are so against..... so why give money to an org. like that ? what i can conclude from that may be off base so that is why i am asking.
i just think that if i were a breeder trying to do it all right, i wouldnt want to be associated with such a registry, as i am against breeding as an industry or a profession.
A code of ethics is fine but what does that really do? And to have a code of ethics when you are involved in a mill auction is senseless. Do you think the mill that has 187 dogs of all breeds follows the APRI code of ethics. If not did the APRI pull the papers at the auction if they saw unkept, ill, dogs? I'm betting not. A registry should not be involved in a dog mill auction. It's wrong, I just don't get it. To tell ya the truth, I'm sick of all the clubs at this point. I guess until dogs are not like cattle as far as the law goes there will be mills trying to make the big bucks. If a breeder could only own a certain amount of dogs by law, and not be able to make the big $$$ of selling hundreds of pups, that would help solve the problem. I think breeders should be able to make $$, but not own 187 adult dogs. APRI, says they are not invloved with mills, but it's right on the auction page. I am waiting to see if they email me back on monday about this matter.
Scout1....... I am not trying to bash anyone either. I just think some people are mildly confused about registeries. It is up to the people to stop Puppy mills not the people who resister the puppies. APRI stands for the pet industry. That is the same thing AKC does. AKC just don't call it that. It is the same thing they just use different words. Have you looked into the whole DNA thing. It was started because there are breeders out there who did not know what they were breeding. And AKC figured they could make some money from it. Not because they really care. I am just saying that maybe some people should bring their heads back in the day light, open their eyes and understand that any registery that registers dogs are in the pet industry.
I am attaching the DNA stuff.
I am also attaching what happens when AKC finds a puppy mill. If they do not support it then why do they not shut it down for good. If the people get it together then for a 250 dollar fee they can reopen. If a person is convicted by law enforcment, then AKC will not let them register dogs. But they still allow puppy mills. And they support it they just do not talk about it. They try to hide the fact that they do.
It all go back to the people who breed and buy dogs to keep things on the up an up.
Voluntary DNA Profile
This voluntary program has resulted from significant input from the fancy. The DNA Profile Program is for owners and breeders electing to add value to their breeding programs by eliminating concerns or questions about identification and parentage.
A dog owner may contact AKC for a DNA Test Kit which includes a swab that the owner uses to collect loose cells from inside the dog's cheek. An AKC DNA Profile containing the dog's registration information, genotype, and a unique DNA Profile number is issued for each dog sampled. This DNA Profile number will appear on subsequently issued Registration Certificates and Pedigrees.
AKC DNA Profiling is required for: Frequently Used Sires (dogs having the greatest impact on the AKC Stud Book); dogs whose semen is collected for Fresh-Extended or Frozen use; and for the sires, dam and puppies for Multiple-Sired Litter Registration.
Kennel Inspections/Compliance Audit Program
AKC Representatives take DNA samples at randomly selected kennels to verify identification and parentage of litters. AKC litter registration and privileges will be withdrawn when the parentage of the litters is determined to be incorrect. The dogs sampled through the Compliance Audit Program are not considered AKC DNA Profiled, and DNA Profiles are not issued.
The AKC DNA Database and Parentage Verification
Comparison of the DNA profiles of a dam, sire, and pup(s) will determine, with greater than 99% confidence, whether the pups are from the tested dam and sire. The AKC DNA database examines the parentage of all AKC DNA Profiled registered dogs and litters whelped on or after January 1, 2000. When problems are discovered, the DNA staff works with breeders to determine correct parentage at the breeder's expense.
AKC Parentage Evaluation Service
For a fee, an AKC DNA Analyst will issue a Parentage Evaluation of a litter in the form of an easy to read table listing each dog's genotype and a written report.
Parentage Evaluation can be used to ensure accuracy when breeding has been done offsite, for cases of artificial insemination, or to add to extra measure of confidence to your pedigrees.
AKC Parentage Profile
For AKC registered dogs born on/after January 1, 2000, dog owners may purchase a handsome profile displaying the registration information and genotypes for the dog and its AKC registered sire and dam. All three dogs must be AKC DNA Profiled to purchase this profile.
Here is about puppy mills
When major deficiencies are detected in record keeping, identification, or dog or kennel conditions, the customer's AKC registration privileges are immediately stopped until the customer is re-inspected and determined to be in compliance. A $250.00 fee is required prior to re-inspection. Customers who fail to correct deficiencies and maintain compliance are disciplined through a graduated scale of fines and penalties from letters of reprimand to ten-year suspensions coupled with $2,000 fines. Investigators also work with local authorities to assure proper care of dogs. Fines and suspensions are published monthly in the AKC Gazette and on the AKC website in the Board minutes. Any person convicted of animal cruelty involving dogs is suspended from all AKC privileges and their name is also published in the Board minutes.
It states right at the bottom of the auction page that it is supported by APRI......You claim that jut because they support it does not mean they agree with it. If they had any ethics at all they would not support puppy auctions at all. Makes no sense, they know that the place does and they CHOOSE to be a supporter. Disgusting.
I couldn't agree more LPN. I don't deal with the AKC, UKC, CanKC or any of them other registries because I have a rare breed, but I will tell you that if I had to and did have to choose it would been any of the ones I post and certainly not the APRI.
Reputable breeder that bred with the AKC and sell their dogs on limited registration because the dog is not up to standard are going to have to make some changes and actually have puppies altered before placing them due to registries like the APRI. It is horrible that they will take a dog on limited papers and allow them full registration.
I also wanted to add that there is a Corso breeder listed on the APRI site. I did some research and found out that they are there because their membership to the ICCF was revoked due to unethical breeding practices so they have no way of registering their puppy with them so of course they went to the APRI....sickening
***Edited By: cschimizzi on 10/2/2005 9:20:57 PM*** Reason: added