i actually read all these hokus registries in the hopes of one actually being a good one. i really do. for i am not an AKC fan. but until one crops up that doesnt outwardly promote poor breeding practices and their breeders, AKC, UKC and the Canadian Kennel CLub are the best ones out there.
i dont understand why you are throwing all this AKC stuff at me.... i have stated i am not an AKC fan, on many threads. i have AKC recognized breeds....but they are not registered with AKC. they are not registered with any registry. if i were to register them with any registry it would be UKC.
if someone can point out that the UKC is in support of the puppymill and commercial breeders, retail selling of pets industry......then they get scratched off that list also.
apparently this is a moral issue and not strictly a registry issue. i cannot morally support a registry. or a member breeder of such a registry that outwardly supports commercial sales of living breathing feeling beings.
i sleep well at night knowing not a single penny of my money goes in support of someone or some organization that does.
I don't trust any registery that blindly takes dogs form another. Ones that have no big shows are also worthless to me. I don't want to spend a ton on a pup if its breeders have not proven the parents are worthy.
scout - I totally get where you are coming from and on most levels I agree with you. My problem is that if I chose not to use every registry that does things that I find wrong or unethical I probably wouldn't be able to register a litter at all. They are ultimately corporations created to make money. In the long run, that's what they do. Do I think APRI is one of the lower rung registries - yes. It's one of the reasons I'm switching my Aussie's to one that is actually a bit more concerned about the dogs and less about whether puppy mills can register with them. One of the reasons I dislike APRI is that they will register AKC limited reg. dogs and theire reasoning being that too many breeders don't tell people when they buy the dog that they can't register puppies from the parents if they breed them.
I think at some point you have to consider that even though the registry may do things we disagree with it does probably do a lot of good somehow. They are providing people with jobs that may otherwise not be able to find them. You can choose personally not to support any registry that you want.
Maybe I'm a little more understanding (not sympathetic mind you!) of what the whole problem is because I live in the Midwest and I have seen so many Puppy Mills and Auctions it's not even funny. Because of this, maybe they don't shock me as much as others. I don't agree with them. In fact I think they are disgusting, but the registry is not the problem. It's the people who hold the auctions. APRI seems to think just like most people in the Midwest. Dogs are dogs. I know too many people that have taken dogs out of cardboard boxes on the side of the road that their sheepdog gave birth to. I know a lady that got to watch a dog give birth to a litter of puppies at her son's soccer game. Most people I know gag when you tell them you paid $700 for a puppy because they paid $50 to their neighbor for one of their mixes from and accidental litter. I try really hard to educate people I know on what good standards for dog care should be BUT one of my best friends just paid $400 for 2 Corgi/Lab mixes from a lady down the street because they were cheap and available. Until we can educate more people on the fact that dog auctions and puppy mills are bad news, the registries are going to still rake in the cash whether we say they are cruddy or not.
Wow, this topic got more detailed than I thought! The only point I choose to make after all the arguing whether APRI, AKC supports pupymills, BYB's, etc. Is #1-someone made a comment to the effect that AKC supports the auctions because there were AKC dogs being sold there. I can buy an AKC dog , register, it, then sell it at an auction....that makes ME the immoral one, AKC cannot make daily phone calls to see what I am doing with that puppy I registered with them. Also, you do not see AKC's name printed at the bottom of the auction page in proud support! AKC also does go around the country making visits to the breeders who use their registry to investigate and reprimands every breeder who is found not to be caring for the dogs, or keeping proper records. I recieve the AKC Gazette (magazine for the purebred dog) put out by AKC which lists every issue the names, locations of these people and any pup or litter that is in questionable parentage is forced to be DNA'd and these registrations are revoked if false. They deny participation to AKC for anyone who is found not to be breeding ethically. This is proof they care about their registry. They can not bust everyone at once, as I'm sure for as many as they catch, 50 more mills open. Also if you are ever charged with neglect, animal cruelty, etc. in your local court, AKC takes your priviledges away.
APRI proudly lists their name on the auction site as a supporter, I'm sure they said they had no idea. If they admit it they will have to face the angry public and loose people on their registry. They will simply pull their support if it gets too heated so they dont lose money (doesnt excuse supporting it in the first place) Does APRI provide large worldwide conformation dog shows to prove the quality/soundness of your breeding stock? No. Do they take the time to investigate breeders at their door to make sure they are complying?No. Do they require DNA and revoke registries for questionable parentage? No. APRI in no way at this time can come close to what AKC has done, maybe in the future they will become more concerned and be as reputable as AKC, but at this time I do not believe they are.
I'm new to this forum and I came across it due to my search on APRI Registry. I was appalled at the information given by those who are so vehemenently agains the APRI. Instead of just taking their word for it, I researched comments made, i.e; (cschimizzi) regarding a statement about support on the part of APRI for puppy auctions
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I followed the link to the auction website and searched it and found the APRI refrence on a page that discussed an upcoming dog show. I found no other refrence of support. Therefore, until I find factual information regarding any wrrong doing upon the part of this registry I will reserve judgement.