one of my lil boys just died.......i dont think the other lilboy will make till morning. yes, i toke every one to the vet , my vet said i should have been feeding this and that but it's kinds late now.
i had homes for all of them , but how can i let go of the ones who make it?
(no, drummer(aka.lilguy) nor winnie or any of my other dogs where around the mom and pups????
i dont understand , i thiought that after 11 days they would be okay???
so sorry to hear! If you can I would honestly rush to the vet now and see if you can save that puppy! What is wrong with them? You were told by your vet to do certain things and you did not and that is why they died? I am just wondering I did not totally understand the post.
I have found that nothing works better than fresh goats milk for babies. I have raised a number of babies on it. Every from puppys to rabbits. For the little animals you can freeze it in icecube trays and then place in plastic bags then take out what you need place in a bottle and thaw.
winnies mom...im sorry to hear you lost a pup...but you didnt give any details...did they just fade...I lost the two really really small ones in a litter...they just would not suckle and bottle feeding didnt work...please give us more details...what breed are they...what did the vet say...did you suppliment only to not have it work...im just trying to figure out what happened. I surely hope the rest are ok....please fill us in...
Sometimes there is just nothing you can do- I have a breeder friend who had a litter of 7 go down to a litter of three. One got an infection, one was injured by the mother (first time mom, took off part of a leg- confused the leg with a umbilcal cord), and the one that sounds like yours- it became thin over time and smaller than the others- had a heart defect. Died about the age of yours. So it could be something like that. Litters can be heartbreaking.
Supplement with goat's milk if you think they need it, -your vet might should teach you to "tube feed" which is where you put a tube down the throat and squirt milk directly in the stomach if they are not sucking well on a bottle.
You can try this too; it might work - take her away from them for an hour or so at a time to milk back up, then let her back in with the weakest ones, let them eat first for a bit, then let the stronger ones in too. Leave her in for an hour and take back out, repeat.
Good luck, I know you are heartbroken, but just keep trying you will get through. It is tough sometimes.
HI, I'm sorry you lost a puppy. I read your other post and it sounds like the reason they are not sleeping is that they are not getting enough milk from momma. I know that you rescued her. She may not have had enough good nutrition during her pregnancy. She needs extra calcium so she doesn't get "milk fever" aka.. calcium shock. Your vet should be able to give her a calcium shot or supplement. Also try giving her cottage cheese. Others have mentioned Puppy milk replacer. This is exactly what they need. Puppies this young pretty much nurse every hour to two hours. Try giving the puppies Nutracal, or Energel. It's a thick gooey supplement they lick. It perks them right up when their bloodsugar is low. You can get it at any petstore. And it's usually under $8. It's good for sick adult dogs too that are off their feed. Good Luck!
***Edited By: Chibrat on 10/2/2005 10:33:54 AM*** Reason: add info
Im sorry your puppy died winnies_mom but you dont sound very experienced at raising litters of puppies.
There is nothing wrong with not being experienced, we all have to learn some time if we want to have these pets in our lives, because its part of their life too.
Like I said on the other thread, you need to let the puppies sleep away from their mother over night to fill her breast up. If you think one is weak, let her have a few hours alone with that puppy so that puppy can get good feeding time to himself.
Buying MARSHMELLOW HERB and adding it to her food will bring her milk in really good.
Good luck with the rest of the puppies. I have lost many in my life time too. It is normal for the weakest puppies to die in some litters they just weren't ready for life.
It isn't your fault the puppy died so don't blame yourself. When death happens to babies like this, it is no ones fault.
***Edited By: peanutmypoodle on 10/2/2005 12:03:29 PM*** Reason: *
winnie - my heart goes out to you as I know how difficult this is. I've only lost 4 puppies in 5 years and each one was hard as heck. My vet told me after the most recent one that sometimes we try too hard to save the weak ones that obviously have problems when we should let them go because mother nature is telling us that they have something wrong. I had one puppy with a fluke kidney defect that we lost at about 11-12 days. She was fine until about 8 days in and then just started to fade.
If your Mom is having milk problems there are several things you can do to help her milk production. To start with, give her some milk replacer (puppy formula) as a supplement. (I'd say about 1/4 cup a couple of times a day - or mix it in with her food). You can also put her on a calcium supplement (we use PetCal - it's just a Vitamin D/Calcium/Phosphorus vitamin). You need to make sure she is on a high quality puppy food (ones like Puppy Chow will require her to eat a TON of food to get what she needs - something higher grade will help more). If the puppies aren't gaining weight and are very fussy they are either chilled, or they aren't getting enough to eat. If Mom isn't eating well then she can't make enough milk. Make sure they are in an area that is at 80-85 degrees (they can't regulate their body temp until 2-3 weeks and weaker puppies it can be longer).
It's hard work and I commend you for taking in a girl that really needed someone to help. Keep trying your best. hugs!
Oh, I'm sorry. I have tears in my eyes, and I dno't know what to say except that I'm truly very, very sorry. Please don't blame yourself though. Everything happens for a reason. It hurts to lose a dog no matter how old he or she is, but it hurts even more when it's just a little puppy. I'll be praying for the other one, and please keep us posted.
I hope this poem about the Rainbow Bridge gives you some comfort.
Hi winnies_mom, I REALLY understand how you are feeling, I went through this about a month ago with my poodle. She had 3 tiny puppies and I lost all three. The first was dead at birth, the other two seemed really healthy but for some reason it seemed like the mommas milk was not coming in right. The second puppy died on day two from dehydration. I tried to supplement it but it faded away. The third puppy was strong but by then the mommas milk came in strong and her nipples were engorged and it hurt her and that one little puppy could not drink enough to release the pressure. I tried to milk her to releave some of the pressure and supplement the puppy but after 3 days and no sleep and lots and lots of tears the final puppy died. The hardest part was the momma dog was so sad...I did not know how to take that last puppy because I knew she would go bezerk. I cried many tears over that litter..I wondered if I should spay her but part of me though next time she might do better etc. You never know, its so hard and we get so attached to them....Hang in there, the rainbow bridge is a wonderful peom....These ladies have given you great tips on supplementing the momma and keeping the puppy warm and eating. Good luck and keep us posted.
My vet always gave us patosin shots to bring the milk in after we had a c-section. I do feel for you - we have a litter of 8 all pass within an hour after birth. One pup was born mummied and apparently caused and infection in the rest of them. It was a terrible sad day for us.
Okay so apparently I jinxed myself as we had a litter arrive last night and lost 2 of the 5 pups. One was a mummy (the first I've ever seen and I'd be more than happy to NEVER see another one) and the other was super tiny (maybe 2 ounces max). The other 3 pups are doing outstanding, but it was a rough night - more for us than the Mom I think. Anyway - thought I would share.
Have you ever bred before? It sounds like you didn't have much of a clue. I would strongly suggest before you embark on this again that you get yourself a mentor in the breed, get yourself educated about breeding or, better yet, spay and neuter your pets.