I am not sure what your friends implied but we do not put our names on any auction. We have representation at the auctions just like AKC, and other registry services. Frankly, Your friends don't know what they are talking about and I guess you jump to conclusions on every thing. Auctions whether you like them or not are out there and I have been to a few and the treatment far exceeds what I have witnessed at most animal shelters. One of the reasons why we and AKC go to these things.
By the way what exactly is a puppy mill? Do they actually manufacture dogs at these mills? Of course not! There are substandard kennels but they cannot last long cause people do not want dogs from substandard kennels. Puppy mill is an animal activist term used solely to raise money for organizations that do not provide one single shelter for dogs. These are the same people who would condem you for raising any dogs under any conditions. Calling someone a puppy mill is slander, no different than refering to someone using the "N" word.
Are you really this judgmental with everyone? I suppose all who breath must fit between the lines you and your friends have drawn for what is acceptable behavior. Shame on you for being so judgmental that you are willing to make snap opinions about people who you do not know. People who contribute thousands and thousands of dollars to help other folks in need. People who made a commitment to open a business in a very poor part of the country to provide jobs and opportunities to people who otherwise would have to travel long distances for a similar job. Shame on you for being so narrow minded. You do not know who is using an auction to sell their dogs. I did not approve of auctions before I became familiar with them but didn't spout off in such a hateful tone. I now know that most auctions are older people who sellout. The dogs usually end up in better care unless they are bought by some of these rescue groups (not all some are very good) who buys the dog and then sticks them in with a bunch of other dogs so that all of them become sick. They sell out and the dogs go to better homes.
You may want to take your business elsewhere. Your attitude is such that I am not convinced you are the type of person who needs to have an APRI dog or any dogs for that matter. I am concerned about the welfare of your dogs if you jump to conclusions about their health as quickly as you jump to conclusion based on what someone thinks instead of what they know. You sound more like an AKC person. Someone who thinks that their opinion is far more valuable than it really is. We are probably not a good fit for you because unlike you we try to refrain from telling other people how to live their lives. Marcus Richmond LtCol. USMC (Ret) Director Operations
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I am a small breeder in Mn and have a few dogs reg. through you. I was telling people on ta pet forum that I like your services. They pointed out that you are involved in these puppymill auctions. How in the hell can you think the way mill dogs are treated is ok? One person's auction has 187 dogs she owns herself. Boy, I bet they get lots of love and attention and exercise! How you can put your name on a auction like this is beyond me! You should be ashamed!! Every club wants to make $$ but get it somewhere else other than mill auctions. Jeanie
***Edited By: jeanief on 10/3/2005 3:21:36 PM*** Reason: added what I wrote to APRI
I cant find the letter you wrote them. It all depends on what you said to them. If you were rude I can understand the letter from them. I don't think they were really rude, they were just saying how they feel about the topic. Everyone has their own opinion I guess. If you don't like their registry then go with one you will like. I don't think anything more than that would come from this. Hey I did find your letter to them. I guess if you wanted to go at it with them you could've been more calm about it. Getting in someones face is not going to make them want to listen. Staying calm and making key points is what works. I can see why you got the letter you did. Not saying it is right or wrong. I just know if you want to show people a new way calling them bad people is not a way of going about it. Sorry don't mean to upset you just wanted to say why I thought you got the letter you did. Not saying that is right they should've stayed calm also. I guess this is a touchy subject!
***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 10/3/2005 2:50:36 PM*** Reason: ...
Yep,Holiday, I am judgemental and rude when it comes to a club that has a code of ethics on their web site , yet puts their name behind auctions that sell 187 dogs from just 1 breeder! I don't feel that pointing out whats wrong with selling 187 dogs is like calling someone the " N word" or being slanderous. Do you not think a person that owns 187 dogs and then sells them at a auction would be considered a mill? If you put your club name on a auctions site such as this, do you not think they are ok with it? If not, we are not on the same page at all and I guess thats ok. And yes I agree 100% with them, that this is NOT the club I want to give my $$ to. I'm also shocked that they have the gall to put down shelters that help dogs and rescues that come and try to buy them to get them better homes! They also put down the AKC club because they have opinions. Because I called these sales wrong they consider me a PETA type person and then go as far as to say I shouldn't even own a dog and they feel sorry for my pets. I know I was rude but if this is the APRI's public relations they have got a lot to learn. I guess I can't be involved in auction discussions anymore, because I will ALWAYS BE RUDE, and never feel bad about being so.
AMEN Jeanie....you go...I have also emailed them and let them what I think of the ethics. Especially now that I know what they are all about. I have proof that the breeder listed on that site that breeds "my" breed is a unethical breeder because he was kick out of "our" registry.
In my OPINION I would bet to say that way more than half of the breeders with the APRI have had their privledgives rekoked from a reputable registry and that is why they are there.
While your e-mail to them was rude and very emotional, that gives them NO right whatsoever to respond in the same manner. It doesn't matter what they are, they are still an organization at the very basic level. They need to uphold some level of professionalism, and I simply do not see it in the reply they sent back to you. I actually started laughing when, after all that bitter rant they sent back, at the bottom of their email they have:
"Please let us know if we may be of further service. Our friendly and knowledgeable staff is eager to help."
That's just so ironic, and made me giggle. Friendly? Yeah right. They merely replied to your e-mail with a very vague opinion generated from their end. In fact, there were no solid arguments/facts/numbers given to you to prove their point. They were also very hypocritical in accusing you to be narrow-minded and judgemental, when in return, they called you an animal activist. Personally, I agree with most people on this forum that puppy mills are awful, but I know darn well that I'm not an activist. I just love dogs to death and I'm very disappointed in the way this organization handled things.
jeanief Sorry if I offended you that was not my goal. I was just thinking why they would be rude to you. It was because you were rude first, but like I said that does not make it right since they are a business and they should be better at tact. They should've seen that you were mad that so many puppy millers are getting away with this crap. You were trying to show how you care for the animals and instead they just came back and was rude also. I don't think you will get very far with them though and I think it is good that you told them how you feel. Everyone has a right to say how they feel about something.
I do see one point of theirs that I agree with. I have seen alot of people quick to call someone a puppy mill if they own more dogs than what others think is right. Yes I do not agree with 187 dogs that is insane! Yet I have even seen people with 20 dogs being called a puppy mill. I do feel puppy mill is a harsh word. I know someone on here said I would be a great future puppy mill and they know who they are. Just because I did not think the same as them! That did hurt and I guess it would feel like if someone called someone the "N" word since it is a big cut on someone! What that person is saying is that I keep my dogs locked in cages filled with poo and pee and never let them see the light of day and never take them to the vet. That is so not me! That did hurt. I only have 4 dogs! My point is. Using the puppymill word for anyone that does not do things the way you do is harsh and uncalled for esp when you don't see how they take care of their dogs. Again though 187 dogs is alot of dogs and chances are they are a puppymill. I just don't like calling them that until I get there and see for my own eyes how animals are being taken care of.
I think the last part on APRI's e-mail to you is a automatic generated signature. I know at my old job my e-mails would do the same thing and have whatever I set up to say after my signature be added to my e-mail. I don't think they just typed that. I think it is automaticaly generated when they send e-mails.
***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 10/3/2005 4:32:13 PM*** Reason: ...
To say that the reply you received from their representative was "less than professional" is to make a gross understatement!
I simply can NOT believe that a representative of ANY company would send out such a venomous message! While there may be those out there with points on either side of this registry, pro/con, I for one would never contemplate doing business with a group who allowed someone with this "gentelman's" ability to communicate in dealing with the public, customers and those making inquries.
As for the site that started all of this, no matter how you look at it, 187 dogs, from 18 wide and varied breeds is NOT something that any individual can justify as a "GOOD breeder".
Do people go into the "pet industry", seeing it as the lucrative business opportunity they've been looking for? Sure. Do I (personally) feel it is morally acceptable and humane? No. Would I purchase a pet from someone with that view on breeding? No. Would I register a pet with an organization that condones it? No.
It IS up to each of us to make the decision ourselves. However, with all it's warts and blemishes, the AKC IS held accountable by it's members as well as the other way around. I'm not gung-ho on the AKC or registering your pup if you have no plan to show or breed.
However, they DO provide access to the names of breeders who have been fined and/or suspended for poor/unethical breeding practices. Do any of the other regestries?
I for one am terribly sorry you had to receive such a spitefully hateful message.
Fogot to add, I think it's especailly nice to think that these rewards of a free puppy or check for the breeder, celebrating their 10,000 breeders is scary. Let's see... the ONE person holkding the auction had 187 breeding dogs....how many puppies a year would THAT be, times TEN THOUSAND! just plain scary
***Edited By: pyrmom on 10/3/2005 4:33:41 PM*** Reason: xxxx
Holiday, you didn't offend me. I also have never called anyone a mill in my life until I saw the auction. Being called a mill or byb is very offensive and I have said so many times here. As a breeder I have had to stick up for myself at times. As a breeder, I know for a fact that there is no way a person can take good care of 187 dogs and that was what I was refering to when I emailed them. No caring breeder would sell their dogs or pups to the highest bidder, PERIOD! If you go look at the links of the auctions I think you will find that these breeders are not just people who own a few to many dogs. Just for example of the auction on 10/2. 187 dogs x $500 per dog would be $93,500.00.
Jeanief............. I hate to say this but you were rude to them. First of all you did not ask them you accused them. When I called them this morning they were very nice to me. But then again I asked them if they supported this auction site. And I did not use curse words. They told me that they do not in fact support any site like that and wanted to know the name of the site so they could do an investigation. They thanked me for calling them to let them know that someone had put them on their site so they could get the problem corrected.
Maybe you should just calm down and read what they are really saying. Money aint everything..............rofl
Jeanief might have been emotional in her e-mail to them, but that still gives them no right to respond in the same manner back. Other people should try to see if they can get in touch with the same guy who replied to Jeanief and see if he treats them the same way. Maybe you just got lucky and got a good representative.
well jeanie i guess their reply to you IS indicitive of what kind of organization they truly are. no matter what you said in your email, which could have been MUCH worse, there is no reputable organization that would respond in such a fashion. and to relate calling someone a puppymill as offensive as calling some the N word.........there is no place for that in any response.
i am sorry but the level of class shown by this registry in response to jeanief's email to them is just appalling. if that is how their administrators behave towards their breeders.......then the level of class of the breeders themselves is in question.
i wouldnt have given them a penny of my money before reading that response.........and i certainly would not now.
its a shame that some people are still blinded by them.
I have an APRI reg dog and I have found them to be awesome. Not that I have anything against AKC but the people are very friendly willing to help at APRI. Please don't judge others without knowing all the facts. As far as half the breeders being kicked out of AKC hardly seems fair. APRI does check on these matters. Many people dual register their dogs with both registries. APRI follows many of the same rules as AKC and for dogs to be registered APRI they must be able to trace their pedigrees back to AKC stud books.I don't think you can say APRI supports puppy mills as many puppy mills have AKC dogs too. Just something to think about.
I am curious to know what kind of a response you would get out of AKC if you sent them a rude letter accusing them of malpractice basically.......I bet that they probably wouldn't be super social and friendly back........Of course, what do I know? I do not have a dog registered with AKC.
Everyone has called this kennel a puppy mill. Have anyone of you checked it out to see if they had HIRED help there to help care for the 187 dogs? Or what there kennel was like? I went to a sell out one time and the place was outstanding. Large fenced areas for the dogs to run and play in. All the sleeping quarters were air cond and heated. Each small group of dogs had an attendent to clean and care for them. I know this is the exception, but , unless you know what the place is like and how things are handeled you should NOT call names. If these people were transfered and not able to take their dogs with them, I ask again WHAT were they to do with them?