Check out this link. Click on any one of the puppymillers listed their and see how many breeds they have. There are some that the list is endless. And APRI thinks this is OK? What a bunch of crap. Hear that, Garry and Sheila, your FOR PROFIT registry is nothing more than a papermill for puppymills.
Wow the number of breeds in the puppyland site. That is bad when you have to give a list of your available breeds according to A-D breeds, click here, E-M, click here, OMG. The second link, that little Boston puppy didnt look so good, poor thing.
You have to live in the Midwest and know the general insight into dog ownership in the Midwest to understand why Missouri has so many Puppy Mills and why they stay open. People who have livestock consider raising dogs no different than cows or pigs or sheep, a lot of the time. A lot of Midwest Puppy Mills also have cattle farms as well as dogs (I know of at least 3 in my breed in South Dakota). I actually call them "Puppy Farms".
Part of Missouri's problem is that anyone with more than 10 females HAS to be USDA licensed. USDA licensing opens all kinds of doors - especially the ones to the many brokers in the Midwest.
You'll note a lot of those same breeders say "Our dogs are farm raised!" like it's such a good thing. The sad thing - people who live on a farm (and there are A LOT in the Midwest) actually find this to be a plus -and in a way it can be because the dogs are used to other animals - it's people they aren't so familiar with.
You find a person in the Midwest and ask them how much they paid for their dog and you'll be surprised by a lot of their answers. It will either be nothing, or not much. Ask them where they got it from and it will either be the neighbor, a pet store, or a puppy farm. One of the reasons I place my puppies over the internet is because I'm not thrilled by the quality of homes that alot of people in my area provide.
Yep, Abbylynne, I bet you have a good idea what kinds of homes I have to watch out for in Arkansas, too. After learning what I have learned about APRI (and the allowing a limited AKC to be made a full reg. APRI) I wonder if I am going to have to spay and neuter every pet puppy before it ever sets foot off my place.
There are a whole mess of these apri hate topics coming up. I am just wondering are you a new user or a member already that is just mad about a e-mail you got from them, and are just going under a new name? Just wondering. Since you are saying the same two people the other topics were started by with a e-mail. Just wondering not trying to start a fight. Just seems strange the exact websites and names are being used.
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I never heard of puppy mills until I joined this form. Why would anyone want to do that to those dogs? Just being curious what do the puppies sale for? Are these people doing this for the money?Some of those pups did not look so good!One person said that she personally handled all her pups( not exact words but close enough).How does she do that if she has a boat load of puppies? This is just crazy to me!!!!!! I've never heard of a dog auction either.I've heard of livestock but dogs?
Nope, I'm who I originally registered as. I live in a state where puppymills are rampant. For 40+ years I have worked in rescue and to help shut these places down. As far as my issues with APRI - they are dishonest and are in it for the money...period.
Hope - I don't release AKC papers until I have a form signed by a vet (with their license number) that the dog has been spayed/neutered. What I breed is almost exclusively pets, obedience, agility prospects and anyone who wants a puppy from me for breeding/showing obviously doesn't know enough about the breed to see that my dogs are not 100% conformationally correct. I make a point of telling people if they're looking to show or breed they need to go to a breeder who does show (themselves - not one that just bought CH dogs from another breeder so they look cool).
Basset - I don't know all breeds - but for Shelties a pup from a "Puppy Farm" can go for anything from $300-600. It depends on the breeders personal outlook. I know one that keeps her prices at $350 because it's just a little higher that what the broker pays her when she sells to them. I know one that figures if they sell quantity rather than quality they make money doing nothing for the dogs and selling at $300 a pup. It's deceiving because you can get a decent pet puppy from a hobby breeder for $500-600. Some Puppy Farms/Mills ask more trying to look like they have quality. I know one that says they keep their prices low so that their dogs are affordable. But the reason they can sell them so cheap is because the feed cruddy food, and only do what they HAVE to do. I'll never totally understand it either as my dogs are like kids to me (in fact, I just had to choose between new toys for a couple of the dogs or a DVD for me - we got some very adorable new toys that make really neat noises :) I'm still entertained as they let me play too. :) but some people do view them as livestock. Dogs are considered property just like cows. It's a socially confusing view, but it is how it works. So in essence, puppy millers aren't WRONG per say. They just view all animals as cattle. I can't see it, as I've never brought a cow to bed with me - but hey, I bet those people have never brought a dog to bed with them either!
Come to think about it there is a pet store about a hour away.It is the closest one.It is personally owned.When I was looking for a second Basset he had some for $250 they were AKC.( that is alot cheaper that what I paid for mine.)I've heard that he gets his puppies from someone else he does not breed them himself.My mom told me not to get one from him he does not sell healthly pups.I wonder........? I do think I will have to check in on this!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Abbylynne, are you in SD? I am in NE. I have Poms, just sold my first litter. I feed Diamond Lamb and Rice, I think it is a decent food, I worm regularly. I do have a issue with some shots, as Emma almost died twice.
I keep my prices affordable because I think $800, $1000 for a family pet is ridiculous.
I really enjoyed raising this litter, even after one of the girls somehow ended up with a broken leg! I did not hesitate to spend the vet fees for her treatment, I did not make much money!
However, my husband is very ill, in the hospital again, so I don't think I will have any more pups. I am going to spay the girls, I think my mom wants one when her elderly Corgi passes.
I live in missouri, and i know, there are alot of puppymills here. I think one of the reasons is becuase people here also raise farm animals and they think they can raise and make money for there dogs too (like someone else on here mentioned) I see them "farm raised" ads all the time. you realy have to be carefull if you are trying to find a home for a puppy also. like people buying cheap small breeds or crosses of small breed, like recently i seen an ad for a free small breed puppy, someone got it, and then sold it. happens all the time :(
What health testing do you do for your dogs prior to breeding? CERF? Thyroid?
What registry to you use?
Do you show your dogs in conformation? Agility? Obedience?
Do you have a breed mentor?
Are you a member of the national breed club? Your local kennel club?
What was the purpose in breeding this litter? >>>>> How about a few answers from me What health tests are not only valid for the breed but also predictive of healthy puppies? Registry has NO bearing on the quality of any dog! Showing guarantees absolutely NOTHING in quality--I show and I know many unworthy CH's are made up all the time--politics is the name of the game. Being a club member is NO guarantee of quality--my first dogs cam from breed club members and had to placed as pets with health problems. Breed clubs can also be so restrictive that people cannot become members.
I bought my friend an AKC sheltie puppy for $125.00. He is not show quality but that's fine because she only wanted a pet. He has never been to the vet except for routine shots. My friend got lucky. The man I bought the dog from only had 2 dogs and he bred them once in a while. At that time I didn't see anything wrong with buying the dog. I am looking at the paper now AKC pekingese $150. Shih Tzu CKC $200. Cocker AKC $175.00. Lab AKC $100.00. Great Dane CKC $250.00. Chi CKC $200.00. Chow $150.00 CKC. Pekeapoo $200.00. St Bernard $300.00 AKC Pug AKC $300.00. Yorkie AKC $400.00 Pit Bull AKC $75.00 Beagle Champion Bloodline AKC $100.00. Eskimo Spitz reg. $275.00 LOL can you believe these prices? Now you know why lots of people do not buy from good breeders.
Thanks, PixiedustPappilions, my sentiments exactly. My dogs are just nice, healthy, sweet pets, which is what most people are looking for in a family companion.
I take good care of my dogs, they all live in the house with us, they go everywhere with us.
Some of the most neurotic, unhealthy dogs I have seen are from "show breeders" , who often seem to keep many dogs kenneled and crated too much. I have been to some breeders who had stacks of crates in the basement with "hopefuls"
I have just had the one litter for sale, and am unsure if there will be anymore due to my husbands health.