Know this is off the regular topic of dogs .But I know some of you are horse people and I was wondering if any of you know anything about having a horses hocks injection to releive pain. She has a barrel horse that just started refusing to go in the arena and some people told us that after they injected there horses hocks that it started going in the arena again .Just wondering if this does more damage or if it really works
I have several barrel horses and have been doing this for a number of years. I know alot of people that have injected the horses hocks. I have to tell you that in my experience, once you start something like that, you probably will have to go on eventually to something bigger and better. Why not give the horse a break, (I don't know how long and often it's run) and try some good old-fashioned tender loving care on those legs... Hope this helps you to make a decision.
So Alpets the shots are just a pain relief nothing else. Do you mean by bigger and better that I will have to get different horse or different shots. Also the shots or not dangerous are they .We have a appointment with a equine sports med vet this week but I was trying to do homework on what to ask before I get there
I have horses, but not barrel racers. We have not had experience with this. It does sound a bit to me like this is just a way to keep them racing and cover the pain without really healing the underlying injury. Let us know what the vet says.
I have had my pleasure horse injected before a big show. It worked great, I could really tell the difference in how she moved!!! The shot that is called legend didn't work that well ( supposed to ad lube to the joint) big $$ too. I didn;t really notice a change like I did with the hock injection. The is a article about it at www.barrelhorseworld.com , or google hock injections. If I remember right they need stall rest or just walking for a few days after so plan ahead. If the horse is injured it won't help, but it it's stiff or not moving as well I would give it a try. Don't quote me , but I think it breaks down the little spurs that can make the joint not move smooth or catch a bit and cause pain due to that issue.
***Edited By: jeanief on 10/31/2005 1:33:16 PM*** Reason: sp
I didnt realize that the shots were so common .I was really worried that it was like when a football player gets cortozone shots in a bad knee and that he is actually hurting himself more because if you dont feel pain you dont realize you have messed something up. I have done so much reading on this that I am learning alot of proformance horses get the shots in there hocks and in the upper leg forgot the correct term for that part of leg
I'm more of a horse person than a dog person and that shot is usually a steriod Cortizone and one respondant is right. Once you start these shots, you are in it for the life of your athlete. Anytime you inject a joint it is a surgical procedure and that it really risky to inject on a long term basis. Please consider some low stress activity for this horse, and get a more fit barrel racer. A prepurchase vet exam is worth the money, they can screen for joint health to avoid this heartbreak. Good luck
I have had horses all my life and have show open amature in almost every discipline including pleasure, jumping, team penning and barrel racing. When I see a horse with no other symptoms of injury not wanting to enter the arena, I see a lazy person riding it. Someone who gets them out once a week runs the living H@ll out of them and lets them stand until next week. What about a trail ride? What about bonding with the horse? That goes for ANY type of horse that is ring sour.
As for barrel racing, I know that people in the NBHA for the most part treat their horses like gold. At a local level in my area, I see a bunch of 'yip yas', kicking, screaming, hitting their horses who don't really know about horses at all. Just because you can 'hang on' with the horse going fast doesn't mean you can ride. The people in my area don't even bother to brush thier horses before they run the crap out of them. Think about what type of crowd you are running with. I would never give my horse 'injections' to get them to do anything.
You need to consider if it is medically neccessary. Many times in horses that have either received an injury or have been ruined in an event, it has nothing to do with actual pain-it's more mental.
I have been barrell racing all of my life, and just stopped 5 years ago when I had my son. I've seen many horses refuse to go in after they've just had enough. Many trainers will say that strictly barrell racing will ruin a horse, and I do think that is true to an extent.
My thoroughbred did sour once-didn't refuse to go in, but just lost his drive-and I pulled him out for a year and did trail events with him. After that, I balanced his training and events and he was just fine again.
I once saw a mother take a lunge whip and go at the back legs of her daughters horse when he refused to go in-right in full view of the spectators and the competitors. I was just horrified! The whites of the eyes were showing and that horse did not want to go in. I was just about to give that ***** (female dog) a piece of what was left of my mind and the judge did it for me.
Another thing to consider is what level of competition, as some do test for different drugs. I guess I would start by redirecting the training first, as that can never hurt, but long term effects of bute, pain killers or cortizone can.
alicat I just read what you wrote and you know what I think that you ought to go get on the bus with schoolbus gal get the hell out of town. YOU can say anything you like about me but the two of you will not say a word about my daughter .neither of you know what you are talking about and better not reply to any of my post ever again. My daughter is a very good rider and she is fit and she is not lazy and you both can kiss my big white cheeks. My daughter is in NBHA and won the youth WORLD Championship in ABRA last year .And I would bet the farm that she could out ride both of you any day of the week. She rides that horse and two other ones everyday of the week .Dont ever say another word about her.
***Edited By: doggiecomehome on 10/31/2005 11:56:59 PM*** Reason: xxx
A horse that suddenly refuses to work for you,such not going in the arena or not wanting to run and so on is a horse that is trying to tell you something is wrong and that it is up to the owner to figure out what it is telling you and it is not due to being unfit or lazy and that people that make comments like that have no business being around horses. In my daughters horse's case they found that the fluid around the hock is watery and is suppose to be oily and that she is in alot of pain and that it will take along time to fix so we started on the med's today and spent way more than I care to think about.
I believe I was extremely courteous and respectful with you and gave you sound advice which YOU asked for,I never accused you or your daughter of anything, I have no idea how she rides. You asked for people's opinion. I don't know what anyone else said ,I was referring to the response that once these(cortisone) injections are started, it usually is a lifelong commitment to joint health. I rode barrels in high school and if my horse didn't want to go in, I would back him in. He was just excited and happy to run. Maybe that's all this is. Maybe he's arthritic and needs to find a different life task. What's so offensive about that? Why did you get so upset with ME??? It's not like I said to knock him in the head and forget about it... Just because a horse has a problem that takes him out of one arena (pardon the pun) doesn't mean he's useless. It's dicouraging to have a problem that maybe can be solved with a horse more suitable for what your daughter desires. That's all I meant, and if that offends you, I'm sorry. This is excellent advice, who else agrees with me??? Let's hear from more of you out there.
Doggie-Not to get involved here, but I do think that she meant barrel racer as far as your horse, nothing personal towards your daughter, or at least that is how I took it the first time I read it.
Were they able to determine if something happened or a genetic issue? What type of treatment are they focusing on, just injections or therapy, etc. I used hydrotherapy when my horse was injured and I think that made so much of a difference. But, now I've caught him standing in his water tank and his hooves have ruined a few floors of them now.
Do also consider that if it has been pain has been the issue for the horse not wanting to compete, that she may have a mental block when it does heal and think that if she does go back in that it will hurt. One of my horses was very, very badly injured in a pasture. I worked with him forever to get him to go back in, but no such luck.
okay I am sorry if she was not talking about my kid being unfit as a barrel racer but I dont think I miss understood ally cat calling my daughter lazy . Just a little touchy when it comes to my kids. sorry
As for as the horse's treatment we'll know more tomorrow when we go back.
I ask the vet if the horse will be hard to get in the arena from now on and he said that we'd just have to take it real slow till the horse realize that it wasnt in pain any more. He did say that worse case would be surgury but that meds and shots should fuse the hock and that the fluid acts as a cushion and with it being watery instead of oily that was what caused the pain .
***Edited By: doggiecomehome on 11/4/2005 6:16:13 PM*** Reason: ..
As far as just being sour goes, any horse that does just one thing over and over again will become sour and bored. If I would have just put my horse on the rail day after day to do her thing I 'm sure she wouldn't have liked it. Mabey go into the arena and not run the pattern at all. Do some figure eights, bending, long troting and call it a day. Go into the arena and feed him a apple and walk him around and be done. Sour can mean many things, burnt out or painful with they move. Sounds like you have found out that there is not enough lube in the joints. running the pattern = pain, so he's sour when he knows he'll have to run and won't go in. It might take time, even after you get him feeling better because he might still think that the arena=pain. Sounds like you are on the right track and the vet should be able to help you choose the right supplements, and treatments. At least you know there is a problem and they have have found something. There is nothing worse that to have a vet say: I've never seen that before, I have no idea what that could be. good luck
NO nO Not your daughter...get a HORSE that's more fit for barrels!! I'm sure your daughter is a great kid! A horse that's not just physically fit, but that has healthy joints!( and it may not be anything in the joints maybe horse needs a little time off to re coup!) Sorry for the confusion! I got a little chuckle when I realised the confusion. Are we friends now?????