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Posted: 11:19:54 AM 11/10/2005
cockerlover
If your looking for a protection dog you should get a GSD. They are by far the best dogs I ever met! They are loyal they are easily trained. They obey well. They do not just attack someone unless you tell them to go at it! They do not take anything into their own paws until you give them the ok. Plus they are great with chi's! They come back when you call them and they do not chase animals unless it is ok to you! They defend on demand. They are by far the best protection dog I ever met!
Posted: 11:21:49 AM 11/10/2005
A correct dog has little inhibition about biting a person if they feel it is justified, including YOU if you have not done your homework and brought the dog up properly.
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So an incorrect temper would be one that is easier to live with--just like the pet a previous poster had?
I am against having dogs as weapon or protection devices. Get a Smith and Wesson to protect yourself. As a dog owner, I feel it is my responsibility to protect my dogs, not the other way around. Just my opinion.
I would caution cockerlover--why did you say you did not want a "shrimpy" Rott? That it had to over 70 pounds?
Posted: 11:25:00 AM 11/10/2005

" cockerlover
If your looking for a protection dog you should get a GSD. They are by far the best dogs I ever met! They are loyal they are easily trained. They obey well. They do not just attack someone unless you tell them to go at it! They do not take anything into their own paws until you give them the ok. Plus they are great with chi's! They come back when you call them and they do not chase animals unless it is ok to you! They defend on demand. They are by far the best protection dog I ever met!"


So, HOLIDAYZBLISS,

are all GSDs like this?

With no training at all?

And anyone on earth should have a GSD? And just get it anywhere and they are all just like this?

so it's okay to let your "protection" trained dog just bop about in your yard with no fencing?

And all GSDs are born knowing how and when to "attack" someone?

No GSDs are dog aggressive? Not a single one? None of them chase animals unless you say it's ok?

They all are born just knowing how to come when you call?

And the all defend on demand only?

Is this correct?

Do GSDs have any inherited conditions that good breeders would screen for?

Where would you advise someone to get a GSD?
Posted: 11:27:37 AM 11/10/2005
also our rott is a rescue rott, we paid 250 for her
and she has been great, alot of people dont have 800-2000
for a breeders pure rott, i understand the frustration from this breeder about not wanting any nonpure rotts getting into the mix, or uneducated owners getting them and giving them a worse name. i can understand that. we did alot of readin about alot of breeds before we made our choice. i suggest you do the same. understanding the common temperament of big breeds will help in your desicion
Posted: 11:30:30 AM 11/10/2005
I disagree....while some GSD are great just as is ANY dog doesn't mean they all are as you claim.....I owned a GSD and he was by far the stupidest dog I have ever owned. Failed obedience school not once but 3 times. I even paid a huge amount of money too send him to a private training and they gave up on him. I was told he would mature at age 2 or 3 and get "smarter" then, but that never happened. So I ended up with a stupid dog for 9 years. Any dog can be a great dog you just have to do your research and find the right dog for you.
Posted: 11:30:45 AM 11/10/2005

Pixiedust, do not put words in my mouth.

No one but you said anything about using dogs as weapons.

My dogs are very well socialized, and friendly in all normal social situations.

I do not intimidate others with my dogs, and I try very hard to be considerate with people, as not all people are comfortable around large powerful dogs like Rottweilers, even if they are extremely well behaved and friendly.

My dogs are all show dogs, and travel to a wide variety of dog events from the time they are small. I do not tolerate misbehavior, and my dogs are well trained and socizlaied from day one.

However, they are ROTTWEILERS, not Golden Retreivers.

They will defend my property, and yep, they would with their teeth if I am not present, which is why I have 6 foot fencing with gates that are always locked.

They would defend my person if I were threatened, as they would my automobile or any other property.

Having said that, my dogs do not make these decisions as to defending myself or my property. *I* do. My dogs are taught at a very early age what "that will do" means, and they understand it well.

In almost 20 years of owning Rottweilers, (knock on wood and than doG) I have never had a single bite incident.

The only place my dogs bite people is on the protection field.

You may insinuate and imply anything you like, however, I DO have a Smith and Wesson, and that is my personal protection device.

The dogs are for my own personal companionship and enjoyment.
Posted: 11:30:48 AM 11/10/2005
holiday i am glad that your gsd is like you describe. sounds like he works well for you family. but let me tell you after having and being around them for 39 years they are not all like that and very few even come close to having all those charateristics in 1 dog. they are awesome dogs ....... but they are not quite as robotic as you made them seem in your post.
Posted: 11:33:58 AM 11/10/2005
Red

Again get a life! Your response is childish and shows how rude you are. As you can see from what this chick posted to me.

"No one in my breed who is doing their homework sells puppies for $450 bucks out of the newspaper.

You might educate yourself a bit as to what responsible breeders do and require before you start spouting off with your diarrhea of the mouth."

The person I was referring to was not selling in the paper either so before you CONTINUE to jump to conclusions why not ask before making things up!

I did not know you knew everyone and what everyone charged. WOW it is amazing how you judge someone because they sell their dogs cheaper than you do. Why you mad that now your champion dogs cant get sold for $5 grand because other better breeders are selling them more reasonable? How do you know she does not test? Just because you cant believe someone would not charge what it costs that maybe money is no issue to them? You want to be rude I can also chick.

I have my opinions you have yours I gave her my opinions you gave her yours. When someone posts a different opinion can you ever LET IT LAY. LET PEOPLE THINK DIFFERENTLY FROM YOU? Your not god or the best breeder out there so get off your soap box! When someone judges someone without knowing anything about them just because they think they are better than everyone else THAT IS THE BREEDER TO WATCH OUT FOR! Esp when the breeder only goes to shows because they know the judge just loves their dog and it is a "sure win". Good to have people working for you to get those CH marks hey?

Next time learn to be a little nicer. We all can be rude and say mean things if you want it that way. So with that said grow up and let others have a opinion. Post yours, but don't get mad if others post something different! I really hate being rude, but your posts are starting to get to me. You can easily get your point across without being a you know what!

Posted: 11:35:00 AM 11/10/2005
I totally understand home visits.My mom understands them,but my dad is 57 and they didnt have home visits in his time.I tried the car thing,and it didnt work.He said we can find rescues or shelters with out home visits.We must of had a really good Rottie awhle back.He was 89lbs and was very protective,but once someone came in,he loved them.He loved dogs,cats,kids,and was very smart,new how to open any door.He was approx 10 months old.We got him from a shelter for $60.I have seen many 8-12 week old purebred rotties at the shelters,that came in as strays or owner surrender for dumb reasons.A couple days ago we were driving an hour away to adopt a 1 year old female german rottie.She weighed 80lbs and loved cats,kids,dogs,and everything.Well half way there they callled and said they had just adopted the dog out,after they told us no one could adopt her but us.I think we can find a dog at shelter,it may take awhile but i think we can.More than half of the rescues dont do home visits up here.I had called a breeder a week ago and she had one rottie pup left,he was german,and she did ALLL the testing and they were in good health.The parents had excellent temperments.The pups were $275,because they were in a small town,with not alot of money.When we had our rottie we did have a fence.We have an invisble fence,but dont use it.I'am homeschooled and have ALL day to excersize.My 3 now get 1/2 mile in morning and 1/2 mile in evening of jogging/running.The rott will be getting 2 miles daily.We have a BIG yard but not a fence because we afre moving.When we move we will have acres!! Bear is the only one I dont take on a leash when they go potty.We have fostered dominit breeds in the past,with no problem.We trained a young GSD out of food aggression,cat aggression,dog aggression,Jumping,digging,hyperness,and a whole lot more.We really just want big baby dog.That adores everything!!All three of our dogs are gaurd dogs and they dont let anyone come in.The dog would be going into obedience class form day one.If anyone knows of a website like petfinder plz tell me.
Posted: 11:41:03 AM 11/10/2005
TO ALL ABOUT THE GSD

I don't know what types of GSD's you guys had, but my grandma raised and rescued them and they all were like that! They listened well and we never had problems. So sorry your did not work for you. Maybe it is the way we trained them. Maybe some don't turn out that way.

We did have to train our dog. I just never thought of it as lots of work he caught on so fast!

I guess I agree it depends on the owner, and you may get a bad dog out of it. I guess not every dog is perfect. I guess my family just lucked out!

Oh and red you did say you had your dog for protection so she was not putting words in your mouth.

I want to phrase I am sorry dogs should NOT be used for protection, but it is nice to have my GSD and know that when we go walking late at night I can feel safe. I guess that is what I ment to feel safe. Even if they cant stop a bullet I feel safer having him with me.

***Edited By: holidayzbliss on 11/10/2005 11:51:22 AM***
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Posted: 11:44:27 AM 11/10/2005
cockerlover
sounds like you know what you are doing! All I was trying to do was defend you saying a person should not be unable to have a dog because she does not have a fence! This just got so out of control.

I hope you find your dog and I have found places, but I am not going to post them. I don't want someone telling some nice breeders off because they dont think before they talk!
Posted: 11:46:28 AM 11/10/2005
I have to agree with Redyre on a lot of the things she is saying about Rotties. As a child we had one and I love the breed but before we bought Oakley we did a lot of research and found a breeder through the AKC. We went to see the pups on several times. Both parents had all the tests they could get, there was a 2 year health guarantee, we we told we could call at anytime with any questions and they also told us that they would take her back at anytime should something happen and we couldn't keep her.

We don't have a fenced in back yard, but we do have a run tied between 2 trees so that she can get exercise. Rotties love to run. She has a great temperment and she is protective of her yard and her family. If we say someone is okay then she instantly is their friend. Training her started as soon as we got her and is an ongoing thing. She loves to learn and loves to please us.

We were told not to get one by a lot of people because of their reputation. I can tell you that several people have told us that Oakley has totally changed their minds about Rotties. They expect to see this big, snarly dog and instead see this giant lap dog who loves to give kisses.

Posted: 11:51:32 AM 11/10/2005

"Oh and red you did say you had your dog for protection so she was not putting words in your mouth. "



I would like for you to show me exactly where I ever said that I have my dogs for personal protection.
Posted: 11:55:00 AM 11/10/2005
Im sorry holdiay,but we had 2 foster GSD's that were so hyper you couldnt be around them,it was horrible,they both failed class.But the GSD is still my favorite breed.Thats what I would get now instead of a Rottie.But my dad does not want that much shedding again and he has neevr liked the breed.(GSD)

My dad does not want a small rottie,he likes them to be at least 70 lbs.I would like for them to be 60lbs,easier to handle.But not my dad.


Red have you ever been or lived with someone out of the army,and him being in there for more than 10 years? If you have than you must know how hard they are to live with.If not than you cannot understand where I'am coming from.My dad as I said before was in that thing for 26 YEARS!!!He has ways and NOBODY changes them.He is still in his old ways form when he was younger.You would not believe how hard it took for me and my mom to bribe him to let us have 3 dogs and them being small didnt help either,He likes big,tuff looking dogs.I could care less,but I cant control my dad.And I dont want to get on his bad side.My family loves Rotties and has had experience with protective,aggressive,hyper dogs and we have had rotties before.My moms favorite dog is a newfoundland and my dads is a rottweiler and mine is the german shepherd dog.We dont care about showing the dog,we just want a family dog.
Posted: 11:55:49 AM 11/10/2005
"I was a young woman living and traveling a lot alone. I wanted a large powerful dog that had a visual intimidation value to a certain type of people. I wanted a smart trainable dog who was sociable and easy to take places, yet who would also defend me and my property with all they had if necessary."

IMHO that is like saying you wanted a protection dog to intimidate someone to have a large powerful dog. That is a form of protection! You also say to defend me and my property = PROTECTION!
Posted: 11:58:26 AM 11/10/2005
yet who would also defend me and my property with all they had
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Person protection--your words.
Thank you Holiday.
I understand wanting a dog that can be intimidating--but I personally have a lot of other reasons for wanting a dog--companionship is first for me.
Posted: 11:59:57 AM 11/10/2005
Thank You holdiay!!! You can email me at goody2shews0502@yahoo.com I appeciate you understanding.We are not going to be here more then7 months.Then we will have a fence.We have a dog run now,that is never used.
Posted: 12:00:09 PM 11/10/2005
Here ya go red:

"I was a young woman living and traveling a lot alone. I wanted a large powerful dog that had a visual intimidation value to a certain type of people. I wanted a smart trainable dog who was sociable and easy to take places, yet who would also defend me and my property with all they had if necessary."
Posted: 12:00:12 PM 11/10/2005
cockerlover
My dog is also hyper, but he listens great! That is a thing about them they can be hyper! I just deal with it. The hyper part is no big deal he listens great! Sorry to hear that so many people had problems with GSD's I guess I stand corrected about them. I just never had any friends, family or even our police friends ever have a problem with them. Go figure! I guess not every breed of dog can be as I explained. I would agree you would get some bad ones out of the bunch.
Posted: 12:19:00 PM 11/10/2005
Ok I sent you a e-mail I hope it helps!
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