I have tried to search for information about "flat coated" poms and i can't find a single thing about them!! Do they even actually exsist or is this just a descriptive name like "pocket" pom. And if they do exsist isn't it against the breed standard to have a flat coat??
The Pomeranian standard calls for a full, double, harsh, offstanding coat. If the dog has a soft coat without the undercoat it is referred to as having a flat, open coat. I believe it is considered a Major fault in the show ring as opposed to a minor fault, or being considered objectionable.
Perhaps the flat coated Poms would be the equivelent of raising white dobermans? They aren't up to standards, but there are those that just don't care about producing quality dogs, they just see the extra jingle in their pockets by creating a purebred dog that is out of the norm?
Ah i see. Thank you for your reponses. I guess to each their own but it seems dumb to me to breed a particular breed of dog that is supposed to have a fluffy full coat and use a member of that breed that doesn't have the proper coat. It would be ashame to take a such beautiful breed of dog and breed its beauty away and then sell it as a designer pet :( Oh well, i just hope these "flat coated" poms aren't on the rise like the deerheaded chis were for awhile.
actually raising albino dobes would be far far worse because the gene that causes albinism is bad bad bad health wise in dogs. A well bred flat coated pom isn't going to be any less healthy than a normal coated one. You can't say the same bout an albinistic dobe.
Not sure if they would shed less, but i have never owned one and NEVER will. To me it seems like they are still quite long haired but it lays flat instead of being poofy the way a pom should be, in that case they would likely shed just as much(which isn't much if you brush once a day or every other day).
And to say "well bred flat coated pom" is like an oxymoron Minniyar, a flat coat is improperly bred plain a simple(although i agree i'm sure some of them are quite healthy) but generally i bet they are not since one bad breeding practice usually means you have other bad breeding practices too. I guessing the majority of them are bred by backyard breeders or people in it for the money that didn't want to pay for the quality parents but can still say they have purebred pomeranians AKC.
A well-bred flat coated pom is not an oxymoron if it's a recessive gene. For example, there's long coated akitas, that come from normal akita lines. IT's not the standard, but given the fact that the parent dogs can be champions, pass all health testing, etc and still throw long coat puppies... That is what I meant. No respectable breeder breeds specifically to achieve long-coat akitas, nor should a pom breeder be breeding to achieve flat coated poms. But if they *do* crop up in a litter of puppiest hat are from champion parents that were CERFed, OFAed, etc.. are they not well-bred?
Scarydog, Yes, they do shed a little less then your typical pom. Here is Kenai's Dogster Page, and I through in some pictures of Cheyanne too. In the picture of Chey, she was only about 7-8 months old, so her full coat was not in yet. After her mom gets off work, I will ask her for some current pictures of Chey. Some people like this look a whole lot better. As previously mentioned though, to each his own, right?
You're right, IF it is a recessive gene then yes it could be well bred! But after one showing up in a litter those particular parents shouldn't be bred together again ofcourse or bred with any other known carriers. I wonder if anyone on the forum knows for a fact if it is recessive or not...? Oh well, maybe i can try to e-mail a few of the show breeders i have on my favorites list and see what they know about them.
What do you want to know about them? You are obviousely against owning one so why are you trying to find out about them? Just curious. You can look at my last post to see a few pictures of Kenai, who is a flat coat, and Chey who is a flat coat.
I want to know for a fact if it is a recessive gene or not? I want to know how to tell if they are going to be a flat coat and at what age you can figure that out? That way i can avoid them and any breeder that has produced them in the past when i go to purchase my own for breeding and showing. The only reason i am against owning one personaly is because i find them to be unattractive and when i purchase it won't just be for a pet, so i will need something proper that will have little to no chance of producing a puppy with that much of a DQ.
The reason i asked so many questions in the first place was because i didn't believe they were real. Now i know that they are either improperly bred or maybe a result of two carriers of a recessive gene and i'd like to avoid both cases if possible.
Well, I guess that is what makes the world go round but MANY people prefer that look and the ease of care, they DO have an undercoat just not as much as a show pom. My dogs might not have been to a show standard but they were all healthy and VERY well taken care of. And they are all fixed an in EXCELENT homes. Good Luck with your showing. I hope you find what you are looking for.