At first when I read the post about illinois banning Malamustes I thought it sounded silly. My husband adopted a rescued Malamuste from the seattle purebred dog rescue organization back in high school, like five-six years ago. Tinny, the dog, was military obedience trained and raised around cats, small dogs and a toddler, so he was the perfect package. When he got Tinny (95 lbs) he was only two and over the years he has implemented habits such as digging out from fences, chasing other dogs, cats, and people..etc. I have seen first hand how instincts will eventually over run even the best training if allowed. He is now six-ish and my husband's younger brother is his master. When we go over there he still follows my husband around relentlessly so I know he remembers things and people and can even do tricks my husband taught him years ago, but if our two year old is running around he gets agitated and competes for Alex's attention. So no matter how trusted a dog is, he is still that a DOG. With instincts. I never let her be on the floor or near his face or rear. Basically she stays with me! I think banning is a bit drastic, but when I put myself in another mother's situation who has seen her child's face bitten off or body mauled by a dog that is loose or unrestrained, I'd probably find myself lobbying for different laws myself. Just my two cents.
***Edited By: SweetGMichelle on 12/3/2005 2:41:06 PM*** Reason: spelling
I don't think this is a matter of 'instinct' over riding his training. Even a perfectly trained dog, when re-homed will test his new masters. If these new owners are not familiar with training, especially the specific training he was trained with, and is not consistent with reinforcing expected behavior.. any dog will then learn what he can get away with. He may have recieved certain types of training, but unless you are able to consistently practice these training strategies, they may take to learning new behaviors. The digging, etc may be a factor related to boredom, since he had previously been worked with so much, this breed needs work to do, need a routine excercise program, if not, they will resort to whatever means for stimulation.
Tinny, the dog, was military obedience trained and raised around cats, small dogs and a toddler, so he was the perfect package. When he got Tinny (95 lbs) he was only two and over the years he has implemented habits such as digging out from fences, chasing other dogs, cats, and people..etc.
okay, first a dog is never "trained". it is either being trained or it is not. I train dogs for protection sports which requires a very regeminted and strict obedince. if the dogs training is not maintained it will lose it's skill. it is not a matter of instincts over riding training. it is a matter of neglecting training. The reasons we picked dogs to be our companions is for there ability to be obedient to us. but it does not come and just stay. would you agree a perfectly trained dog left alone and not trained for 1 year, would not be as sharp as he was, possibly aquiring bad habits along the way. and that was one malamute, 1. that is a prejudical blanket statement you have made. no differnet than saying you cannot drive because wyou are female. can you see you where that thinking is skewed. dogs do have instincts but not the way a wild animal has them. a dog is domsticated border collies herd off a instinct called prey drive. similar to the drive your malamute uses to chase kids and cats. if the herder did not train his border collie it could even try to kill the sheep. as for putting your face into a dogs. I would trust that a dog might bite or growl or show aggression. cause dogs do not greet head on. they great from the side. head on encouters and staring are consider threats in the dog world. now sometimes people that have owned dogs for awhile these rules do not apply. just like a man can slap another man on the kiester during a football game. but not in the bar. this is why we see many bites to the face, especially among girls ages three to five. little girls like to hug dogs, which entails head on greetings, restraining the dog (Also a dominace move or threat in doggie language) and possibly eye contact. that is not instinct. that is mis-communication.
First of all, I am a big great dane and husky lover, so I am majorly against this idiotic ban. Futhermore, I live in Illinois and have written to each of the emilas and posts that I can to try and help stop this. I can not see banning the poor dogs becuse of the ignorance of that blasted owners. Why can't they make a ban against stupid people, lol opps sorry that would ban most of the people that don't know how to properly care for an animal. Personal opinion, sorry if I offened anyone but it upsets me because I grew up in Illinois and have always had dogs and if they start with these breeds what is going to be next, the english bulldog or the great pyr or the newfie???????? I will continue to write to my congress men until they drop it.
Gunny, First of all I was just commenting on how ridiculous I thought the ban was, and then remarking on my own life experiences with an alaskan malamute that went from loving family pet to aggressive beast over three years period. The family continued to implement obedince, and I am aware that obediance training is a way of life. Either they continuously obey commands or they don't. This was not my husband's first large nordic type dog. I am merely playing devil's advocate. Parents invest their life, love, and whole heart into thier children and I'd bet money most of those people lobbying for those breed bans have had some sort of personal experience with a dog attack. I am a dog lover and a parent so I can think from both sides of the fence here, that's all. What some of those same people don't know is that large dog owners can put as much life, love and heart into their dogs and take great responsibility to make sure they don't and won't attack/run free. I've known many small dogs that were quite aggressive and often as well but last time I checked they aren't trying to ban chihuahua's now are they?!
People are naturally scared of bigger does. Riley is only 73lbs (I say only because I don't consider that a large dog)... and some people are absolutely frightened of him, which annoys the cr*p out of me. But yet they'll go up to a chi or something that will bite their hands off.
Being owned by Great Danes just makes me shake my head at all of this bullsh*t. I know the only reason why Danes are on the list is strictly because of their size, and the fact that they could hurt somebody very bad very fast.
I could not see myself without Danes. They're just part of who I am.