is it that people just go out and buy a dog because most times it's easier? vs. they want a certain breed/mutt that fits in their lifestyle and which is not in a shelter/rescue in another state? dogs/pups bought from byb do get in a great home where the owners love the heck out of the pet, regardless of pure or mutt.
but money paid to a byb supports them and the poor breeding practices. and dogs in shelters don't get a loving home. not all dogs in shelters and rescues have temperament problems. many don't. people turn them in to shelters because they don't want them or can't keep them, and dump dogs which become strays. there are a lot of minor reasons people give their dogs to a shelter. it can be the owners' fault, not the dogs'. sometimes it is because the dog is a real problem. shelters can screen dogs and test them to see their temperament, and give that info to people coming to see them. if someone buys from a byb or a petstore they won't know the temperament of the parents, at least will not have a lot of exposure to the parents unless they know the breeder personally and have had lots of time to observe. what's the difference?
I think it's personal preference and what you believe is right. I tried to get a cat from the shelter, and I was 19, and married, but they wouldn't adopt to anyone under 21. uumm ok So to the petstore I went. And when you go to the shelter, you don't know much about it's past, or its age for some of them. If you want to adopt from a shelter, that's fine, but I'd recommend a breeder if you want something particular, even though I have heard that "mutts" make the best pets. Honestly, I don't think enough people will stop buying pets from pet stores to put a dent in puppy mills, and those puppies need homes too. So by boycotting pet stores, you are just hurting the animals. Does it really matter as long as you give them a good loving home?
"dogs/pups bought from byb do get in a great home where the owners love the heck out of the pet, regardless of pure or mutt. " Not all. Bybs and pet stores will sell to anyone with a checkbook. They don't care if these people are abusers or simply lack knowledge..how do you think a purebred beagle or a boston terrier ends up in a shelter? Because they are escaping from yards or being dumped off. And they don't care if the people who buy their puppies breed them..creating even more dogs. I think you have just as much of a chance of getting a fresh puppy from a byb or pet store that will end up with behavioral problems as from a shelter. I think people prefer to buy puppies from breeders because it can be easier. What are the chances of walking into the SPCA and finding some 8 week old shihnitzidoodlepoodle?? You can find some in shelters or rescues, but not many.
I'm not sure where you get the idea most dogs are given up because of health or temperament issues.. The puppies are given up because people are sick of dealing with having all these little puppies around. Older dogs usually given up by people because something in their life has changed. New house, of job, moving, new child, death, etc. For even more, people get a puppy without realizing the responsibility involved, and then have to give the dog up. Many don't even bother trying to find a good home for their dogs when it is so simple to just dump it at the Humane society. SOme people just aren't willing to do the training/care that is involved in a young puppy. So the dog is given up for behavior problems, when really it's that the owner just couldn't commit time to caring for it and giving it basic training. Most 'kill' shelters only adopt out animals that they believe have a good chance of finding a forever home. This is why so many pitbulls and rotts rarely make it out of shelters in some states, people don't want to adopt them because they are frightened of the background the dog may have. Many BYBs also don't give a rip about the dog beyond selling it to whoever comes to pay for it. How many BYBs call up the people who bought ther dog every now and again and ask 'how's that puppy' doing? Not many. Or give a decent health guarantee? Even fewer will take that puppy back at any time in it's life if there's a problem genetic or otherwise , the way a good breeder does.That's what's irresponsible about them. Even the ones that claim to care don't take adequate responsibility for breeding practices by doing OFA, CERF and blood tests for heriditary disorders. Unfortunately, many people dont' realize there are better breeders out there. And there's so many stupid and misguided rumors about adopting dogs from the humane society that thousands of animals die. Heck, 2 years ago I didn't even know there was a website like www.petfinder.com that could people find pets.
"Does it really matter as long as you give them a good loving home? " Yes. What about the ones that don't go to good loving homes? What about the dogs that are being used for breeding stock? People care so much about the cute puppy in the window, but don't seem to care about the mamma dog living her life in a wire cage. It would be unfortunate to have to leave puppies in pet store cages for months (until they sell them at a discount or give them away) but eventually, when there is no profit, no demand, they would have to stop. Perhaps enough people won't stop buying dogs from pet stores to put a dent in the industry..but that's only thanks to beliefs like yours.
"Honestly, I don't think enough people will stop buying pets from pet stores to put a dent in puppy mills" well that's a real "oh well we can never fix it" attitude that is part of the problem. things have changed for the better with other social problems .
"well that's a real "oh well we can never fix it" attitude" Exactly Pearl, it's like, so long as we have good cheap clothes to buy, does it really matter that they were made by children chained in basements?
this is from another post about a puppymill bust in NC- this is why it matters where you buy your puppy. this is what money toward puppymills goes for, which is what supplies petshops. "Iím writing about this awful experience to inform, educate and hopefully help stop this madness. I have never in my life seen such abuse and neglect towards animals and their environment. As we stepped out of our vehicles that lined the road to her house, you could instantly smell a sicken smell. After getting the ďgo aheadĒ for the Sheriff we entered the yard. My heart dropped to the ground and I was in shock. There were so many pins and kennels, all filled with Mastiffs, Bullmastiffs, Boxers, Rottweiler Mixes, American Bulldogs, an English Bulldog, a Great Dane and a Horse. No one had any food and what water that some pins had was very muddy and green. Most of the Dogs were lying in the corners of the pins so they did not have to lie in their own feces. All of the Dogs were emaciated, some to the point of death. They also found carcasses all around the property and in a burn pit beside the kennels. I just could not bring myself to walk towards the burn pit; the smell was too much for me as it was. I didnít go into the home, but they did bring out a small breed dog, cats, lizards, bird and a snake. These animals were suffering deeply."
"buying vs. adopting most dogs in adoption have a lot of problems and tempermant hard to deal with?" So do dogs from BYBs to your doing yourself in either way. Its a gamble. "dogs/pups bought from byb do get in a great home where the owners love the heck out of the pet, regardless of pure or mutt." Oh thats howcome they are all filling the shelters and rescues. Where do you think those dogs came from? Some are lucky enough to get loving homes, yes loved the heck out of them untill they get sick or die and the owner has to be heartbroken from their BYB dog.
"but money paid to a byb supports them and the poor breeding practices. " Yes, exactly Pearl..for me, that is the biggest issue. That's what I get fired up about. ............................................................. then that's all that needs to be said, to educate people more about these issues, sometimes byb may not have intended but their pets just get pregnated because it might of been thier first pet. they didn't know if your dog didn't gey speutered, other heated pets come lookin for, if more people were so against it, there should be more literature at pounds, a law for pet stores to have posted up info for the compulsive buyers who can't see past the fact that pets should not be an easy disposal whenever they feel they don't want the pets anymore.
adoption places should make it easier to adopt a pet, just like pets who need a second chance so does a person needs a first or second chance,...but of course i'm not saying don't match the pet with the person or family adopting
"adoption places should make it easier to adopt a pet, " Like how? We shouldn't screen to make sure the dog or cat gets into the good home this time around and not end up back at the pound? I'm very proud of the fact that we have a thorough screening process. Not everyone who thinks they want a pet should have a pet. Perhaps if more breeders and pet stores took those same precautions, there wouldn't be so many animals in shelters. I'm sorry that you feel offended because you were turned down to adopt a cat. Shelter and rescue groups need to take every precaution necessary to ensure the safety of the pet. An animal in their care is their utmost responsibility. They need to set a criteria. I was turned away from a rescue group when I lived in an apartment. I understood and was okay with that. Even though I was working at a vet's office and lived in a very dog friendly complex and am a great pet owner, that group had that rule and I respected it. I don't think every group needs to change their rules just so 'I' can have a dog. I got a dog from somewhere else. End of story. And now I volunteer for BT rescue myself (we have no problem adopting to people in apts.). And we are very picky who we adopt to. Perhaps your shelter feels that 19 is too young to be responsible for a pet? That doesn't mean you aren't responsible, but that they feel *most* 19 year olds aren't responsible...hard to say. But if I had to choose between the welfare of a animal and a person's feelings..guess which I'd choose?
Usually humane societies that make it more difficulte to adopt are looking out for the best interest of the dog. I know I live in a college town. and you would be literally sickenedby the number of pets that are dumped off at the 4 major roads leaving town in May after graduation takes place. Soooo manycollege students buy dogs, and then see them as a 3 or 4 year committment. When they graduate and move, they leave the dogs behind or dump them at the humane society. Our humane society is very careful about who they adopt to. They want to know if you rent, and if you do, they want your landlord's phone number so they can call and see if there is a no pet policy. If you rent from an agency that is known not to allow pets, they will not let you adopt.
"adoption places should make it easier to adopt a pet, " Like how? We shouldn't screen to make sure the dog or cat gets into the good home this time around and not end up back at the pound? well, if someone can't get a pet at adoption centers then guess where they will go, and i guess that's how byb, puppymills, animal farms, wherever and whatever you want to call it make a good living,...so then one less pet can find a good home and another chance a highly paid for pet will eventually end up in a shelter blah blah,.. SO REGARDLESS there's a cycle that will never get better, but that's just my opinion.
"can't get a pet at adoption centers then guess where they will go, and i guess that's how byb, puppymills, animal farms, wherever and whatever you want to call it make a good living,...so then one less pet can find a good home " Define 'good home'. The people we turn down we turn down for good reasons. You said 1 shelter turned you down. Did you look to smaller rescue groups who could maybe take the time to judge you as an individual rather an age bracket? I find it hard to believe that there wasn't someone giving away kittens out of a box somewhere since people find litters of kittens all the time. Unless you live in some amazing town without strays...I'm sure there were some 'free kittens' ad in the paper. And yes, the people who are turned down from shelters and rescue groups (the ones turned down for GOOD reasons) will go to a byb, that is inevitable. BUT there are plenty of GOOD pet owners buying from pet stores and bybs..THESE are the people we are trying to reach. ...Now if only we can find a way to make puppymills illegal. And I'm sure when you turn 21, some shelter will be happy to adopt out a dog or cat to you :)
O.k. I was 19 at the time, and lived with my fiance, who is now my husband. I understand that they may have policies, but they shouldn't be concrete. All they asked was my name then my age, and then I got an "I'm sorry". Didn't care to ask any personal questions to determine if I was responsible.... It's ridiculous
Actually, I first went to the shelter to find a pet. It was going to be my first cat (except for when I lived at home) Then I did find my first cat Gizmo, from a "free ad". The next one I got at the pet store. And when my husband turned 21, we actually went back (this is before we got our 2nd cat) and they wanted the landlord's written consent. Well he told us to have them call him, cuz he didn't want to be "bothered", but no that wasn't good enough
I think I was confusing you and lovepets. oops. Either way, I understand that would be frustrating, but they probably set that policy for a very good reason. We prefer to look more at the individual, like, we'd rather adopt to a 19 year old with a stellar pet history then the 40 year old whose last 3 dogs died from heartworms. But we are a small group who can take the time to talk to people and do home visits. And we have a lengthy application that asks lots of probing questions. But every shelter and rescue group is different.