My Toy poodles are registered AKC.. Thinking about registering them CKC, and maybe even UKC.
In posts I saw someone say that AKC will let you register a deaf or blind dog, thats why they would get a UKC dog. I briefly looked over UKC's page I didn;t see anything that stated someone couldn't do that with a deaf or blind dog there.. I did see the standards for poodles was ok with parti colored ones. And also that you could register puppies from a bitch that was bred by two males.. That kind of shocked me...
Registering my dogs with CKC poses a problem for me, Toys are under 10 inches there. My male is 10 inches, my bitch is 9 inches. How would you register a litter between them on CKC, when the male is considered a miniature and female a toy.. I waited until my male was 7 months so I knew how to register him with AKC which considers him a toy.
Is there really any advantage to multi-registrations?
PS. My dogs are perfectly healthly, not blind or deaf.. I just saw the post and had that question..
I am in the process of dual registering my Toy Poodles with APRI, they are really nice and great to talk to! Also, if your dog is already registered with a different registry in your name they will register them for FREE!!
Forgive me if im missing something..but..the poodle.. what does the males papers say...were the parents toys or mini's...if they are registered as toys...and even if the boy is big..you still register him as a toy..now..I would suggest not using him for my breeding program because he is over sized, if thats what your breeding is toys....if i was breeding them..but thats my opinion...i see potential problems for the mom..but since this thread is about registeries I wont get off track..
You register what the parents are..and not a right or wrong as far as AKC goes...they are just a registry and can not control who breeds to what..or if they are honest and legimate or not...they just keep track of linage...and in doing that..i think they do a good job...Sure...they are not perfect...but what that is man made is perfect...The ckc will let you register any thing..mutts...dogs that AKC will not let you register litter from...that I think is dead wrong...(if i sell a AKC dog on limited registration...not for breeding.) CKC will let you register it and breed away...they dont care...no pedigree is needed nothing..thats wrong..i sell AKC pups limited not for breeding for a reason...they might be not up to the breed standard in some way..or I just dont want people breeding my bloodlines I have worked and paid a lot of blood sweat tears...not to mention hard earned cash, for...I dont want them breeding them till there teeth fall out...I have a heart and a concious..BUt...with the ckc...they dont care why I made them limited..they just see another potential registry...and the more mills they get signed up...or byb...the better..the more business they get..and then unsuspecting buyers register them and keep the money flowing...They dont do anything to safeguard the santity of the breed standard and dont do any thing in the form of comformation ( not to mention agility, obedience ect) to make sure the pups are breed standard..because they have laxed standards all the way around..UKC...is better..but if you have an AKC dog..dont lose that...and clearly dont go to off the wall like APRI, ACA or the zillions of registries that are not worth the paper it is printed on...I say...look at the boys papers...if they are toys..hes a toy...if he is over the breed standard in size...and you got him for breeding..you got rooked..and sold another poorly bred dog..not confomrming to standards...size..color...they are all in place for a reason...sorry to rant...i think im done now...well..you asked or opinions...you got a few...please research further...
Are we talking ContKC, or CanKC? A female bred by 2 males. AKC will require DNA of the pups and parents before registering the pups. We will start dual reg's ours, but with UKC basically just for the shows.
ContKC.. Really learning a lot tonight.. So much good info on here.. really eyeopening
I really think Huron misunderstood me. Its ContKC that I would have the size discrepency with. Taught me something I didn't know about ContKC, re: no respect for AKC ltd registration.. I may co-own all my puppies, if that would stop it..
ConKC is in a word....crap, IMO And yes, you can sell on limited reg, and ConKC will register the dog with them and give them full rights. Its ridiculous...you have to be very careful who you sell to and follow up that they have the dog fixed, or spay/neuter before selling.
lovetalmen...im glad i showed you what crap (cont ) ckc really is...apri and ACA are crap too...i agree UKC should not be in the same class as these others...as they do things based on conformation and I like that fact...I also have a couple dogs dual registered...one being a ukc champion...i like the fact you ...the average person are to invited to handle your dog...many use them as practice for akc...i know i will also, when that time comes...so...I hope it all works out for you, with the registries
I don't think AKC is so "hot" anymore. They are pushing legislation to federalize retail breeders. AKC is all for the biggest breeders who are USDA licensed & inspected. They don't care about the small retail breeder at all. If you don't believe me, just do a google search on "PAWS bills" AKC thinks if they can force every breeder to be regulated, more breeders will come back to their registry. They think if they get the PAWS bills passed, the USDA will contract out "breeder inspections" to the AKC. Then the AKC would be getting paid well by the federal government to do their inspections. Only the breeders will need USDA approved facilities. Those rules are contained on 60 pages. You would be real wise to double registar any dogs with other registries. Other registries are fighting these controlling breeder regulation bills. You need to support registries that care about their customer, the breeder.
Service Dogs of America is now an affiliate of the UKC, so UKC registration gives a dog and his/her family access to SDA's programs as well, and some of those programs look pretty darn cool. Children are encouraged to handle the family dog to earn the Family Obedience title. Some of the exercises include practical stuff like getting in and out of a vehicle politely and waiting calmly while food is prepared. SDA also encourages disabled people to handle their dogs for Assistance titles. There's also a Search and Rescue program, a Tracking program, and a Protection Training program. The AKC doesn't really offer anything like what the SDA has to offer, so dual AKC/UKC registration gives a dog owner access to a wider variety of sanctioned dog activities.
They don't care about the small retail breeder at all. ********************************************
Explain a small 'retail' breeder...is this as opposed to a large 'retail' breeder? Retail breeders are those who breed to supply the pet shops, etc...aka...puppymill So they are a 'small' puppymill, not quite expanded to the 'large' category yet?
"Explain a small 'retail' breeder...is this as opposed to a large 'retail' breeder? Retail breeders are those who breed to supply the pet shops, etc...aka...puppymill So they are a 'small' puppymill, not quite expanded to the 'large' category yet? " >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
USDA licensed & inspected wholesale breeders, sell their puppies to pet stores or brokers. Your pet store puppy/kitten suppliers are covered by the federal AWA. The pet store breeders are required to raise their animals in approved facilities. Wash down surfaces, separate kitchen, washroom, whelping building, isolation area. Pet store wholesale breeders are written up by the inspectors if they are caught with puppies in the house. The federal government laws make it illegal to socialize pups/kittnes in your home, if you are a wholesale breeder & sell to petstores.
Retail breeders sell to the end buyer, the pet buyer. Petstors are retail sellers, they are not required to be USDA licensed. Breeder who sell to the pet buyer, are retail sellers, they are not required to be licensed . I refer to those breeders as retail breeders.
The person with one pair of dogs, who sells puppies in the local newspaper, is a retail breeder. The small kennel that raises several litters/per year, (3 to 20 adult dogs)but only sells to the pet buyer is a retail breeder. The large kennels, 100 to 1000 dogs + who only sell to the pet buyer, and sell no puppies to pet stores or brokers, are retail breeders.
Brokers are also requried to be licensed, as they buy at wholesale & sell at wholesale. Rescue operate in the same manner that a broker does. They buy from shelters, auctions, make owners pay them to take their dogs, then resell the dogs. Maybe that is more like a petstore. Rescue's are not federally licensed & inspected.
The term "puppymill" is applied to any breeder that another person does not like. It's really a meaningless word. It's meant to degrade for no real reason. Fits in the same catagory as calling police officers "pigs", or calling nuns "crows".
The AKC, HSUS, DDL, AVMA, want all pet breeders to live under federal facility & inspection laws. They are trying to pass the PAWS bills to do this. There are currantly 400 other registries/dog clubs/catclubs who are against this legislation. There is an exemption for those who sell 25 PETS or less from out of 6 litters or less in a year, (dogs/cats combined) The seller of one breeding animal, or one hunting dog would be required to build that $50,000 to $100,000 facility. If the zoneing laws would let them have a USDA facility.
If PAWS passes: Each rescue would be limited to 6 unrelated animals, as they are out of 6 litters. If you had 2 St.Bernards who had 13 puppies each, in a year. You would have to build your building. If you sold one lab pup, (it's a hunting dog) you'd need your building. If you sold one unaltered animal, (a breedable animal) you'd need your building. AKC now claims the PAWS bills are going to be rewritten to fix these problems. It's all wishful thinking. The bills have not been rewritten. A Quorm of the argiculture committee would have to meet, if they were going to rewrite things. That has not happened, in spite of promises from the AKC. There is no PAWS 2 version anywhere, yet AKC claims the law is going to be wonderful.
AKC is bad for supporting it, and the vast majority of their member clubs have come out in opposition to it.
It is still THE recognized registry in this country, and the main body for dog shows in the US.
IMO, with the exception of several breeds I can think of with UKC, or rare breeds which are not recognized by AKC, anyone not registering their stock with AKC has some kind of reason why they are not doing so.
Mills and CBs often don't use AKC because it's now more expensive since they got rid of blue slips. There is also the DNA requirement on frequently used sires. Too much $$$$$ for the greed breeders, so they use something like ContinentalKC, or APRI which have more lenient requirements.
In my opinion AKC is crap. The fact that they support, and in fact helped CREATE the paws law is the killer in my eyes. When I buy a puppy the only reason I ask if a pup's parents are AKC is so I can register them with APRI. I don't even send in the AKC papers. APRI has shows and that is where I am planning to show my dogs!! My dogs may not be AKC,(could be but choose not to) but my puppies WILL have a 3 year health guarantee!!!! And they will not go anywhere until 6 months old so I know what there temperaments are like, and the quality of each puppy. They will also be spayed/neutered before they leave me if they are only pet quality. they will be socialized and have had ALL shots including rabies.
If the AKC was not supporting the PAWS legislation, would you be able to explain to me how the AKC Is crap compared to other registries? They do more events and have more outlets for people to do things with their dogs in a month than every other registry has in an entire year. That alone means it has my support over all other registries. At least I can see that registration money is going elsewhere (like to conformation shows, performance events, etc) other than lining the pockets of people from other less reputable registries. The AKC is also the only FCI recognized all-breed registry in the US.