Has anyone had expereince with feeding Vegan dog food? My vet said she thought it was ok for the dog because they are onmivores. There is also a local vet who has a 16 year old mix he has been feeding Vegan food to for 8 years. He checks the dogs blood levels and they are always fine. I'd just like to hear more.
There is so much awful stuff in so many foods and our cocker had so many allergies it seemed like something to try.
This was dissused the other day on another site. Some people say they do good. Some say they have seen dogs and cats that looked bad while on this diet. So I don't know...I would say do a google search using the words Vegan Diet dogs, cats or whatever you want to search about....So I do not have more info for you..
There are brands that make vegetarian/vegan food. Personally, I'd never feed it to my dog... dogs came from wolves, wolves eat meat. But, it is probably alot healthier than feeding something like Iams or Purina.
Yeah, our dog was on the potato whitefish too but died soon after of Pancreatitis - which was supposed to be unrelated. But we still/will always wonder if there was more we could have done. He just always seemed to have digestive issues.
FYI the vet was very clear that she would never recommend vegan food for a cat. I will look up those sites - thanks for the links.
I think its completely wrong and unnatural for people to force their moral views on the dietary habits of their pets. And in cats, with them being 'true carnivores', vegan diets are actually dangerous, leading to various health problems.
If I was going to make a ritcheous decision just to feed my pets whatever I "felt" was right I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place.
It is kind of rude to assume that I would neglct my pets nutrution becuase you don't think Vegan dog food is safe. It would be a lot more effective to answer the question as to why you think it is a bad idea than to insult me.
As a new member I have been quite surprised by how mean people can be on this site and I also notice that when people get into a back and forth drama lots of people log off.
I hope you didn't feel like I was singling you out when I made my statement bout vegan foods. You said in your original post, "I'd like to hear more." That to me is an open invitation for people to share their opinions regarding the vegan diet. No where in any of the above posts did I see anyone shellacing you specifically for feeding your dog a vegan diet, or even thinking of doing it.
As far as why I think it's a bad idea, I think I answered that in my post above. Because it's wrong for us to force our moral views on the dietary habits of our pets. And although dogs can do ok on vegan diets as they have more omnivorous tendencies, (certainly better than cats do) I think still think it's dumb.
Dogs are not really omnivores, people are. Our teeth are completely different as is our digestive track. Dogs do not have the digestive track to get the nutrients out of most plant matter. Although they will eat it doesn't mean they can live on it.
I'm with miniyar on this one, I think it is wrong to make an animal suffer because of our moral beliefs.
I guess I am still wondering where the evidence is that dogs would suffer. As I said my vet said it was OK and another vet feeds vegan and checks blood levels and the dog is 16 and very healthy.
So far I only have evidence that it is healthy. Has anyone had a personal experience where it is bad? Or are people just assuming it is bad because they feel it is unatural?
As a vegan myself many people assume eating vegan is an unhealthy because they feel it is "unatural". But, since I count my grams of protein intake, take a B12 supplement and make sure I eat plenty of leafy greens for calcium I am much healthier than I was before with perfect weight, blood sugar, blood pressure and cholesterol.
I am not saying that just becuase as a human I am healthier my dog would be too. I am saying all people assume things based on their beliefs but I am looking for facts.
Has anyone fed their dog vegan food or do they know anyone who has? I think will look through the graduate school data base for papers written, look at the websites recommended and call a few more vets (there are a lot of vegans where I live)
I am just interested because things are just not like the old days and with avian flu, mad cow, all of the drugs our meat is pumped with and the intense suffering corporate animals endure for me it is worth looking at.
Carson, do what you want, you probably will anyway.
If it's proof you want look at the anatomy. If that's not enough to tell you then you are too far gone with your vegan thing. The longer the intestinal track the more vegetarian the species. Canine have a very short intestinal track. The more incisors and molars in the mouth the more vegetarian. Canine have few of these. Let me put it this way, them thar fangs aint for picking wild rice.
I completely agree with Minniyar's first reply. People are people and can rationalize for themselves- but who are we to make moral decisions for other species?
Don't living things inherently ENJOY eating what they find delicious because it provides nutrition and energy? i.e. sheep eat grass and wolves eat sheep. (Though, yes, dogs may be omnivores, but when was the last time you saw your dog grazing on grass for more than a short period of time within a very long period of time?) Therefore, if my dog finds meat naturally satiating for him (minus processed foods and whatnot nowadays), I'm going to believe that that is what he is supposed to eat. It doesn't matter how many supplements they take and how we regulate their protein levels, etc. I think it's just.. wrong. I think it's mean for the PERSON to be depriving their DOG from foods he's SUPPOSED TO eat just because it makes them feel better.
***Edited By: ntki on 12/18/2005 11:24:57 AM*** Reason: .
The thing about feeding dogs vegan diets is this.. dogs have a MUCH higher protein requirement than humans, and have a harder time getting those protein needs met from vegetable matter due to their shorter digestive tracts. Thus, it is extremely hard (and time consuming) to provide a long term vegan home-fed diet that is both healthy and balanced for dogs.
If you are concerned bout the contents of commercial dog foods, there are a variety of very very good holistic kibble dog foods out there with human-grade ingredients.
most vets are totally clueless when it comes to nutrition. they are sold food based on what pet food companies tell them is good ..... not based on reseacrh they have done for themselves.
because some dogs do well on began diets doesnt mean all will. not all dogs do well on raw diets. all people dont do well on vegan diets ...... many people i know have almost died being a vegetarian.
i think more dogs lean towards being carnivores but i believe they are omnivores so they do need to eat meat. wild dogs tend to get their plant or veggie matter from the wild animals they eat in their stomachs. which have already been processed down to a state where a dog can benefit from the material. eaten veggies raw they cannot digest them properly.cats are 100 percent carnivores, feeding them a vegan diet would certainly kill them.
the choice is up to you ..... but make that choice based on the animals physiology and not on a humans view point on meat bs vegan.
I've talked with people who have their dogs on a vegan or vegetarian diet. Most were for selfish reasons, sometimes the dog had health issues or allergies. Riley has been eating vegan treats lately, because the ingredients in regular treats seem to make his allergies worse. I've been giving him raw organic meat as treats, as apposed to commercial treats as well.
Those that had their dogs on vegan diets for non health issues told me "My dog isn't going to eat the dead corpse of another animal!" but when i pointed out that if the dog was wild like nature intended, that's exactly what he'd be eating... they denied it. Look at those teeth and tell me they are not for meat... you must be crazy.
Just as I think you can't force your moral values down your childrens throats, when it comes to eating meat, you certainly shouldn't force them on a being that can't even tell you what he wants.
My Uncle feeds his 2 Yorkies a Vegan diet because he is a Vegan himself. I saw the dogs a year ago and in my opinion they were far too skinny. I have had dogs that were finicky eaters and a bit skinny but they never felt the way those dogs did, I would have been worried if they were mine! I'm all for healthy food, I would never again feed Walmart junk, but from the looks of those dogs I personally wouldn't make my dogs eat something like that.
***Edited By: Darlingpoodles on 12/18/2005 11:45:39 AM*** Reason: sp
Carson,,,Have you tried a google search yet? I am sure you could find all the info you need to make this decision. Personally I would never feed any of my animals a diet that was unnatural to them. I wouldn't feed my RES all veggies and no meat. The same as I wouldn't feed my dogs all veggies and no meat. To me it is just not healthy for them IMO.
Later on I will look up some links and post them on this subject and try to find links for both sides of the coin.