We have just purchased two min pins...almost 5 months old...one is playful and smart..he goes to potty where he's suppose to. (we've only had them a week and a half)...the other one..the brother is shy, potties everywhere and doesn't seem very intelligent...is this what you call an inferior breed?....we are trying to be patient, but there seems to be no rhyme or reason when he pees...we don't want to give up, especially so early...we take him out often and he'll go, but then he'll go inside too...he will pee on a pad in the middle of the night, but not the other...would appreciate advice and or encouragement...as I'm a nervous wreck and not doing the puppy any good......he also developed kennel cough and is on medicine...does this affect them?
Dont give up.Theya re puppies and they will get it!! You keep going strong!!! Put them both on a schedule! Take them out first thing in the morning,feed them and water them.Take them back out 10 minutes later.They need to go out every 2 hours.Feed them 3 times a day and take them out after they eat about ten minute later.Measure their food a half cup each for the whole day will probably be enough.Get 2 crates.You can get one if you like but 2 is better. It only needs to be big enough for them to lay in and turn around and thats it.Dont paper or pad train them.They will learnt hat it is Ok to go in your house when they are older.Its alot faster and easier to crate train.When they are out of the crate have them on a leash.Never let them off leash.if youc ant watch them put them in the crate.They need to be in the crate at night.Put toys,chews in there dont put food or water in there.The best thign you can do is have them on a schedule.do everything at the same times everyday.Also they need to go on a 10 minute walk or so.
***Edited By: cockerlover on 12/19/2005 1:31:14 PM*** Reason: add
Definitely not an inferior breed...the king of toys actually. They are a very intelligent breed, to the point of being a couple steps ahead of their owners most of the time. Some simply take longer to train then others, each has its own unique personality. How many were in their litter? What age did they get taken from Mom? What type of area were they raised in? oddly enough, these can all be factors in the potty training issues. Are you crate training? Don't give up hope, be persistent and consistent, and most of all patient, depending on how they were kept, a week and a half is not a long time in any situation anyway.
And at 5 months, they have already taken to whatever was done with them before. What was the breeder doing for pottying..papers, pads, etc? Just a matter of retraining and this will take a bit longer.
***Edited By: lpn169 on 12/19/2005 1:33:46 PM*** Reason: add
well the kennel cough could i guess. probalby not though.
if they are 5 months old what did the last owner do with them. that they arent' potty trained.
some toy breeds or individual dogs are harder to potty train. they don't want to go outside because its cold or wet out there.
just keep doing the potty training stuff. do you have a crate for them. it doesn't sound like if he is using the potty pads at night.
i would get him a crate. when he does his duty outside he can play with his brother and be part of the family otherwise he has to stay in the crate or a gated off part of the house. most poeple like the kitchen for this.
he is an older puppy so it shouldn't take him to long to figure out that when he goes potty outside he gets to have previlages. when he goes in the house he gets scolded and ignored.
dogs usually don't like the silent treatment.
good luck, housetraining can be done at any age and at any age it is frustrating.
***Edited By: langniappe on 12/19/2005 1:38:50 PM*** Reason: edited
We got them when they were older, but they were from a breeder who had lots of dogs and were probably put in a kennel and allowed to go wherever...we owned a sheltie and a retreiver before and the potty training was us telling them not to potty in the house and that was about it...I know they're very intelligent breeds, we are just concerned about the one....thanks for the encouragement...i really need it...i have a 6 yr old and an 8 yr old (children) who are crazy about the dogs....
they are crate trained...although the one will sometimes potty in the crate even after she's already gone...(small crate)...I take them out of they're crate twice a night to use the pads, because of the bitter cold weather and snow we've been having...the vet said that when they are at 6 months they should be holding it through the night...and if they're not...it's behavior....let's hope so...
If they were kenneled, then they have no concept of where to go, it will take some patience to get to the point where he knows. We have taken in 3 new ones over the past 4 months, all were kenneled their whole life. 2 are very outgoing and learned fast where they were expected to go, the other was very shy and awkward, of course at 5 yrs old and never knew what not living in a crate was is a shock to him. He has come a long way with becoming a more social, loving dog (guess he decided this lap stuff is pretty cool afterall) but the pottying is still an occasional issue, if he is busted when he is about to go in the wrong area, he knows....and goes off to the correct place, then comes back proud as though he knew all along and was testing me to see if i was watching.
hang in their i have a 9 year old min pin she was 3 months and third owners dont know why ,when we got her we had a hard time house braking herbut after a couple months and standing out side in rain and snow we didnt have a back yard. she finally let us know when she had to go out know she comes and nuges us and runs to the door and barks till weet her out just hang on it takes time
They can hold it through the night.You just have to stop doing what they say too.Im not being rude but I would be right out there in the snow taking them out.I wnated the puppies I have to take care of them.
cockerlover....I agree, they just have to stay on it and make them go out, take them and stand with them, or place them on the pads and watch them, whatever your final training method is going to be, go straight to it now, and not confuse them by trying to teach them 2 ways.
But keep in mind, physically they are old enough to hold it, yes, but if they were living in a kennel, they are not accostomed (sp) to having to hold it, they went whenever they wanted right where they were at in their crate, it takes time to reverse this and alot of work by you.
We shoveled an area out and took them out in the snow, but there were times when they still wouldn't go...we only started the pads because they acted like they were scared of the freezing rain and absolutely refused to go outside at all that day...the one min pin was fine with the pads, but the other one-not so much...i know you're not trying to be rude and i really appreciate the honesty, but i am willing to take them out in the snow, sleet rain, hail or whatever if they will go...
I make my dogs go anyway tis not their choice.Tell them to hurry up.Im serious.Stand out there for 10 minutes if you can stand it that long. :) Then if they dont go bring them back inside and put them in the crate.Try again half hour later.When they do give lots of praise and a treat if you want.
you have a miniture pincher? a good friend of mine eric has one. i did some research after talking to him right after he got his. turns out they are very hard to potty train. after all they are small dogs....thus, small bladders. he has had her for a while and she still had the occasional accident. it helps to have a routine, as it does with any dog. his girlfriend would and does have to put some clothes on her when it was cold. sounds silly (i don't think so) and helped b/c she would shiver!