Some people really irk me! I am baby-sitting these Bulldog puppies for my friend he does not speak any English and so I am doing him a favor and screening homes for these little half pints! well a lady came over yesterday for a French bull dog puppy. she come in and she has 2 small boys twins age 3. which is fine with me UNTIL! she says how good her boys are with dogs and how badly they want one and blah blah blah. as she is saying this little monster one, decides he is going to use my red USA female as a punching bag! he just runs up to her and wham wham wham right in her side! The Mom just sits there! says nothing! Thank God Ginger LOVEs kids and will put up with anything! Well, I am NOT going to sit still I run up to him and grab him and say No honey don't hit my dog you will hurt her! MOM still says NOTHING! just playing with the puppies totally ignoring her little brats! Then HE RUNS OVER TO Nikita AND DOES THE SAME THING! THANK GOD for solid stable temperament! Nikita just ignored him also. I quickly told her she will have to leave now we are on our way out she is like ohh can I leave a deposit. I am like NO i will have to type up and contact and dont have time now I JUST WANT THEM GONE!! and NOW! then the brother starts in uggg i put my dogs in the other room and escort them out! what the HE double tooth pick! are people thinking! she has 2 young boys uncontrollable and want a small 20 pound dog! nuts!!! not from me.ohhh man People dont think sometimes! what's your worst experience with unruly people??????????
***Edited By: JKKsEuroDobermans on 12/27/2005 2:18:43 AM*** Reason: sp
I can kinda understand where you are coming from....although I have a 11 yr old daughter who totally respects and loves our 3 dogs....there seems to always be a little kid that wants to pull on Ava's ears (our chihuahua) when I tak her out in public....I had one mother who thought I was just the most horrible person in te world when I told her son if he was gonna keep pulling on my dogs ear he wasn't gonna be allowed to pet her anymore ...well he kept pulling on her ears...thank god she's a sweetheart and didn't try to bite him....but I got up and told him no more......but his mom was like honey lets go cause that dogs ganna bite you anyways.....I was so mad but didn't say anything....but of cousre I was thinking you know what lady it's a good thing she didn't bite him cause if it was me I would have...lol
Exactly!! and you know the kid deserved to be bit! I have 3 kids and have taught them from day one treat all animals gently with respect. I have 6 dobermans and NEVER had a single bit not once! Yet my daughter was petting GENTLY my neighbors Jack russle and it nit her! I know its becaeuse his brothers kids are VERY ruff with that littel dog! people should have to pass a test to have dog i swear!well behaved kids I have NO problems with its little brats then on the news you see. " vicsious dog attacks child:" I am always wondering WHAT IS THE REST of the STorY!
You are far kinder and more diplomatic than I would have been! I can tell you that anyone who brought children into my home and didn't take the time to correct them, I DID and it was NOT gently.
I would have probably had a much bigger mouth and told the woman that no self respecting breeder of any live creature would send said living "object of torture" home with her two Marquis De Sades!
You are also right in saying thankfully you have wonderful tempements and a great deal of patience in your dogs. The next person they crash in on might not able to say the same and when her little darling has his face eaten off, she'll blame it on the dog.
Hope you give your friend this menace's name and tell him to avoid her like the plague!
My daughter was 4 when we got our first dog. Parents have a responsiblity to teach both the child and the dog the proper behaviors to live together. You have to watch them both 24/7. If you're too lazy, don't get a dog. I'd have no problem telling someone that if I was selling pups.
Do a phone interview before they show up, or esle your wasting yours and their time. Write out a list of questions, ask childrens ages, don't be afraid to decide your own age cut off, while there are some wonderful younger kids out there the majority are not mature enough to deal with a pet. Also if you don't like how an older child is acting say so and tell them you can't sell to them, or make the cost so prohibitively high that they leave.
Last thing I would never do is have other dogs present while people are in my home looking at puppies, particularly an unrelated breed, thats a disaster waiting to happen, your dobes should not have been present. The smallest mishap and you get sued, your homeowners insurance is going to go sky high and they may make you take out extra insurance because of the breed of dog you have. Doing someone a favor may end up costing you quite a bit, so try to weed out the crazies first.
YEs Hen I do screen everyone on the phone first. But this girl slipped through by talking to my husband first ( he figured that since it was alittle dog that I would not have to do my 2 hour speach on them). My Dobermans Have been around 100s of people they are fine I can trust them 100%. My bitchs are my main people dectors :0) If my bitchs dont like someone they dont get a puppy period. The higher price did not scare her off unfortunately. I do have home owners insurance and bite insurance on my dogs. AGAIN My dogs do have wonderful temperament and I. Always have 100% control. I dont keep the whole pack out just a few when people are here with all the crazies out there now you all know what I am talking about with a few breeders being murdered last year. The problem was her horrible acting kids. what kills me is how she is saying ohh yeah my boys are soo good with dogs and they want the puppy to wrestle with! I did tell her nicely that is not the reason to get a puppy. She did catch me on a good day for sure. But buying a puppy for a child is NEVER the right reason people dont think!
***Edited By: JKKsEuroDobermans on 12/27/2005 12:12:10 PM*** Reason: sp
I was raised with dobes, even the best one has a bad day, or yelps and twists when its paw is stomped on, knocking a child into a coffee table or something, some people are just sue happy, thats what this world is coming to, people trying to get money for the slightest incident. I can understand your concern over safety, but I would still put my dogs behind a a gate and allow them to watch but not interact, but thats me. That breeder who was killed and her child taken last year was killed by another breeder that she was friends with and actually showed dogs with, was on a forum with as well. What a terrible tradegy. They say that most folks are killed by those they know, not strangers.
Respectfully, knowing dobes the way I do, I wouldn't enter your home if they weren't secure, unless it was the dam/sire of the puppies I was looking at. Just a different point of view.
Hench....all I can say IMO is its a damn good thing she DID have those Dobes out! I'm sure that she knows how her dogs react to situations and she has control or she would not have let them be loose when the kids came in. Point being, it is unfortunate the dogs had to experience those kids, BUT....... if those children were permitted to act like that and not be corrected, and if that is how they treat animals in someone elses home, god forbid to think of how they would be in their own home behind closed doors! If they had punched one of those Frenchie pups that way, they could have really hurt them, so thank god the dobes were out for her to see their behavior before it was too late.
Hats off to you JKK and Kudo's for having raised stable sound dobes!!!
Well then we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I put all my dogs away when unknown children/or adults are coming over, I'm not willing to take the risk. Children can be evil little monkeys and can provoke the most stable sweetest best trained dog, I've seen it happen. Besides I'm a strong believer that no dog is worth a childs face, and no one esles child is worth me losing my dog, I'd rather err on the side of caution and avoid problems, JMHO.
i have had to escort someone out of my house myself. rocky and annie, my two french bulldogs are my life. my children. i will not allow them to be abused by anyone. my cousin came over with her 7 year old son. the first time i saw him kick rocky, i snatched him up by his shirt collar and sat him in the chair for a time out. mom said nothing. when he got up he went right back over and grabbed annies legs like a wheel barrow. his mom said nothing. when i put him back in the chair, mom pipes up that she didnt like me disciplining her son. too bad , so sad ! i told her that i didnt like her son abusing my animals either and if she couldnt control him, then theres the door and i held it open for them. i resisted the urge to boot them both in the rear on their way out !
I agree with you Hench on the views of no dog is worth a childs face and so on. Mine are confined as well when company arrives initially. However, if someone is coming to see about buying a puppy and has children, do you not want to see how the children react to the dogs, if they are gentle, how they treat them? I most often do not sell my pins to someone with small children, they must be older. With Pugs, I do alow them to be a bit younger, but always, and always....these families are required to bring their children with them and I will have them play with my most trust worthy dogs and observe how they handle them, and the discipline reactions of the parents before I would ever allow one of my pups to go with them.
Of course you make perfect sense LPN, but I like to watch the parents with the child before I would bring out one of my very trusted dogs to interact with the child. So many parents do not control their child/children at all, like these people JKK had to deal with. I have a death grip on my son when we go into new situations, and he gets the 'talk' along with a few threats of the things he'll be deprived of if he doesn't behave. He's very good but then he's been raised with pets and see's them as 'people' not toys. And I think right there is the crux of the problem, its not the dogs that aren't properly trained or socialized its the kids and their parents that don't know how to act properly.
I've been thinking about this all day. Having been around children my entire life, having three of my own and babysitting full time up until 6 months ago (going through quite a few infants/toddlers) I can tell you I had ONE child that was just plain mean to animals. He was here from the time his Mom went back to work after his birth until he was 3 years old the things he did to my animals.....it reached the point where I would put my animals in other rooms because, while they were soooo tolerant (TOO tolerant!) I didn't think it was fair to them to put them in situations where they had to put up with him. His parents didnt condone his behavior, but for some reason he just didn't get the message that jumping on the sleeping dog's tail wasn't allowed, nor was running a truck into a sleeping down, picking the cat up by his tail...I could go on and on, my point is, sometimes it doesnt have anything to do with the child knowing right/wrong, he certainly was being taught here, but more that some kids are just MEAN. That said....I often plunked the child in time out, would I have put my own in time out for that? LOL, no, they probably would have been "spanked" (GASP!) and put to bed, because I'd rather spank them and put them to bed that bring them in to have doctors TRY to put them back together after they got what they deserved from the dog! I know, some wont agree but ya know, a dog can't say "knock it off, leave me alone" BTW, none of my goldens ever snapped at a child or even growled, at most Bruin would get up and pick another spot to lie down.
LMAo yes I know that talk my kids get that too! ditto :) belive me I would not have had these 2 bitches out if I was not 300% sure THEY ARE OK WITH all KIDS AND PEOPLE. Ginger was a small puppy when I had the tenents from hell move in upstairs . we have 3 kids turned into ohh we just got custody of my Xs 3 kids also. 6 kids from HELL i am telling you ! Ginger would NEVER EVER hurt a child. she is totally trustworthy and Nikita is temperment tested and the most easy going dobeman I have EVER seen she just does not care. but these little guys I HAD to see how the people are with dogs . I would never lett someone take a puppy without the dobes checking them out for sure.
If my children EVER treated any animal that way....well, it just wouldn't be a pretty outcome for them...witnesses or not. I'd have spanked them right there. That's just unacceptable. Good thing that my children don't do that kind of thing.