Its not name calling if its a fact, and it was said pertaining to her, not you. She goes from forum to forum causing conflict and looking for fights, be patient, you'll see. She's also very good at name calling and rudeness, innuendo and manipulation, we're all in for such a treat.
Better mind your manners Houndz, this is a moderated forum and you can be banned
I would prefer to get a pup from a breeder because I want to meet the breeder, see both the parents and how the pup has lived...now I don't breed nor do I have show dogs and I actually have a mixbreed. They are just my loving babies. And this is why I would never buy from a petstore you can't see those things. I'm not saying all petstore dogs would be bad tempered but wouldn't you want to atleast see the parents and living conditions? And all the petstores I have been to sell their puppies way over priced. 2 of my friends have bought PS puppies in the past..1 is a great dog with no problems and the other maybe a good dog but she has put tons of money into this dog for health issues.....I guess you just never know what you are gonna get.......and I'm not saying you're never gonna have probs with a puppy from a breeder I just think there is a less chance of it. But I would never bash anyone that would buy from a pet store I just hope these ppl give the pup a good loving home like they all deserve...:-)
"I can understand the frustration with shelters etc but at the same time how could one support such a cruel industry? There are alternatives if you really want to get a dog for the right reasons. If you don't like your local shelter, work at getting changes made, volunteer so they get to know you."
I am frustrated with the shelters and I do understand why people turn to pet stores...that doesn't mean that I did. I still don't have a puppy and I'm still looking at other options (trying to find a good breeder). I do KNOW for a fact that my pet store here does not buy from puppy mills. I know this because I personally have arranged a rescue with these people. Some guy had a trailer out in the middle of nowhere. Tons of cats, all not fixed and tons of dogs, also all not fixed. Don't know how he managed to feed them at all because ALL of them ended up having kittens/puppies in the same general time period and he was overwhelmed. He put an ad in the paper and I responded...but when I got there I was so upset by the conditions of those poor animals. I called the shelter and animal control, but they told me ALL of the puppies and kittens would be PTS if we brought them there. I was not going to do that and I sure couldn't afford to have all those dogs and cats either....so I gave him information on the spay/neuter clinic and got his number. I asked everyone I knew to help with those animals and the only ones who stepped up (after hearing me talking about it) was the pet store. They nursed all those kittens and puppies (some of which were extremely malnourished and dehydrated, plus ridden with fleas) back to health and adopted them out. Some of the pet store staff kept some of them and they are sweet enough to give me updates all the time when I go in for stuff for my hamsters and kitty. One of the kittens that was almost dead is now a HUGE kitty that is quite healthy and spoiled. IF I did get a puppy from this pet store, I'd feel good knowing that I wasn't supporting puppy mills. By the way, that guy did go to the spay/neuter clinic and he's VERY happy that he won't be dealing with that many pets anymore. Some people just need help and education. That store stepped up when no one else, including the shelter, would help. I understand that there are puppy mills and I understand that a lot of pet stores sell those puppies for the mills. I'm not saying that's right...I'm saying it doesn't pertain to this one. There are decent pet stores out there...very few I admit, but they are out there. 3 hours away we have a pet store that DOES buy from puppy mills and I would never buy there. They actually will lie to your face about those dogs...it's just sick...and they are in these little glass front cages with people banging on the glass and they are walking in their own filth because they only clean the cages a couple times a day...very sad....but it's legal and there's nothing you can do about it (at least not that I know of?)
ANYWAY....thank you for stating your opinion without insulting anyone...really.
AND...I'm going to visit a couple of puppies tomorrow...at breeder's houses. So...wish me luck on finding a good breeder and meeting the puppy of our dreams.
And Good Luck to you Shaunna!!!.....either way you go I hope you will finally get your baby :-)
I think you were the one talking about getting a longhaired chihuaua?......anyways, I have one and she's a great dog and she loves children but there isn't too many dogs she likes except the ones she lives with...she's still warming up to the new baby I just don't think she wants to admit that she likes him she's snobby like that :-)
You have to investigate and research shelters and rescues just like you would a breeder. Too many shelters and rescues are not upfront and many are looking to make money far and above the vet bills. They claim this is so they can use the "extra" (profit) money to save more dogs. Sounds good but not often true. Shelters and rescues should never be a money -making affair. And their adoption policies are not guaranteeing the best homes, as many time good homes are turned away. I can see why a person would get a dog from a pet store when I see how unreasonable and intrusive some adoption applications are. But I hope that buyers will look for a good breeder and not go to a pet store.
my husband works at a petsmart store and on week ends they have the no kill shelter come in and andbring dogs in for adoption that they have rescued from puppy mills and if they dont adopt them out they look for foster parents to take them in till find homes which i think is real neat most times the dogs are older dogs that have been breed to much and may not have much longer to be with us so thay want to find a place for them to spend the rest of there adult year in agood home if i could i would but i dont have the room.
Hey just so you know...if you want to buy from a pet store and don't want to pay a huge price go for the ones that have been there longer....JUST like a shelter if they can't sell the animal while it's a baby they are going to lower the price...what would have been an 800.00 dog ended up beeing 200.00 with papers and a guarentee and I haven't had a bit of a problem with him. My shelter dog was 85.00 fixed, de wormed, shots and is gonna cost me an arm and a leg to rehabilitate. So she will end up costing about the same as what I would have paid in the long run with my first dog. Rescue dogs come with a lot of baggage. So NO they are not for every one...you have to have a lot of patience for them...not every one has the patience for an older, abused dog...Puppies are basically a blanke slate...no permanent damage...rescue dogs are not so easy and you battle thier past demons...it's like a child from a messy divorce, or foster child that delt with abuse...just like foster and adopted CHILDREN are not for every one, neither are foster/adopted ANIMALS. So give these people a break.
I'm buying all my dogs from petstores from now on!!!!! j/k, but I wouldn't be opposed to it and I'm an educated person. There is no way in hell that you're going to put a stop to pet stores or BYB. NO WAY!
Who friggin cares?!??! It's not going to stop, all dogs need homes, it's not THEIR fault they were born, why let them suffer when someone out there can give them a really good loving home?!?!?
And they do not end up with breed rescue, the majority of them end up being euthanized....I used to work in a petstore many moons ago.
I applaud your cause Houndz, but it gives you no right to be nasty to others b/c of their opinions.
Dog breeders, with one breed, who belong to clubs, generally don't breed as many pups as someone who does it for a living. They don't sell to pet stores because the pet stores don't give you enough money for pups. Sure clubs have a code of ethics that you sign, saying you won't sell to a broker or petstore, but it's really all about the money. If I can sell a pup out my door for $800, why on earth would I be interested in selling them to a pet store for $75 locally, or $175 in bigger cities? The average price of a puppy paid by a broker to a professional breeder is $250. Many pups are lower, a few higher. When you are small, with only a dozen adult dogs or so, $250 per pup wouldn't come close to paying all your expenses. You have to be raiseing volume, if you are going to sell to pet stores.
The majority of all whole sale professional breeders who sell to pet stores, are USDA licensed, & inspected. They have 60 pages of rules to follow, which you can find on the APHIS site. These breeders in general have nice, clean kennels. Many go to seminars & take courses on proper kennel management & puppy raiseing.
All those "dirty puppy mill" stories you hear or read are mostly hoaxs. A sick, filty, dog, that has been injured, is not going to be produceing puppies for anyone. These are wild imagination stories that animal rights activists, such as Wayne Pacelle of the HSUS wants to spread around. Groups such as the HSUS(Humane Society of the United States) want ALL purposful breeding to end. Most groups of animals that have been kept in horrific condions are done so by hoarders. They aren't breeders, they just have a huge collection of animals. Other breeders who land in the newspapers, generally have gotten old, had health problems, a death in the family, or some other reason that the dogs were no longer cared for. Some of the breeder raids are done to people in their 70's and 80's. They had successful nice breeding kennels for years. But they got old, couldn't keep up, & now the animal rights activists & Humane Societies use them as examples of all breeders.
There are thousands of perfectly fine professional breeders who breed puppies for pet stores. A percentage of all living creatures will & do get sick with one thing or another. A neighbor with a litter of 13 St. Bernards, once lost them all to parvo. They only owned the Mother, who was a house dog. These things happen. Finding one pup coughing in a pet store is minor. It could easily have kennel cough. Bordatella can effect anyone's dogs or pups. It's rather contagious, so you would hope a pet store would be smart enough to have pups vaccinated for kennel cough. Kennel cough will go away, it just takes awhile. A dog may not be sick any longer, but could be left with a persistant cough, bronchitis. It isn't the end of the world, it will get better. Just like people get over persistant coughs.
Many, many problems are minor. Puppies are living creatures. Name me one public elementary school, that doesn't have at least one child or more absent per day for some sort of sickness. I bet no one on here can name one. How can anyone be so foolish, as to expect every puppy in a pet store to be perfectly healthy every day ?
The only real difference with buying direct from a breeder, is you then will know what the parent dogs really look & act like. There will still be a sick pup here & there, in spite of well puppy vet exams. There will still be pups who have inherited or congential problems that will kill the puppy. With a breeder, you have someone to blame directly for any problems. Many will replace or offer a refund if a puppy has a problem, but pet stores also have a refund policy.
Some bigger breeders do get tired of pet buyers bitterness over pups that didn't turn out right. Then they start selling to brokers & pet stores. That way they don't have to listen to the complaints. It won't make the pups any less likely to have problems, the breeder just doesn't have to hear about it. To raise pups on any scale at all, you have to like animals. In spite of what the anti breeder people tell you, breeders do like animals. Some choose to sell to pet stores. Big deal !!!!