huronbreeze,sorry you are upset over this,all im saying is that bullzeye just lost his beloved pet a little over a month ago. you can only tell by his responce that Im sure he wishes now that he would of had a autopsy done now ,instead of taking his vets advise you can feel his pain he<s having over this,or he wouldnt be asking these questions now as in (wondering what ifs)sometimes we dont make the best decisions in a time of losing an animal or person we love.as time passes a little then we think more clearely.hes never going to get the answer that hes hoping to get from here so hes going to have to live with wondering.,so all im saying is this is a time to be compassionate right now,he stated that he loved his pet,etc.and yes I have seen your on this forum countless times and yes you like everyone else is intittled to your opinion as long as it is done in a respectable manner.I also have not been perfect on this forum as others have not also,but it dosnt mean we can all be a little more kinder with our opinions and still make it just as effective,now this is just my opinion ,sorry to of upset you take care huronbreeze.
look Candy and others...if some ones pet dies its one thing..this guy is a SO called Bully Breeder...and any BREEDER worth there stuff will do what ever measures ESPECIALLY when they have a litter on the ground...I quaneneen 4 weeks before delivery...I dont allow people any where near new pups..make them take their shoes off and can not handle them until they go to the vets and get a check up and shots.( check up is not the once over when they grab the pup to give the shot btw...)..I dont want to make every one sick potentially or risk losing them..ANY OF THEM...My dogs now have ALL cost me 1000's to purchase not counting the vet testing care and maintence..they are well loved pets yes...but they are too costly to replace in more ways then one. By the time you purchase a dog of proper breeding age, and all testing done to satisfaction (I have already rehomed many others who didnt pass the test in one way or another to my satisfaction.) I take the lives of helpless creatures VERY VERY seriously...And all i stated is if my dog died unexpectedly I would do all humanly possable to find out why...In the first post was speculation on the food related illnesses...then as he gets more adiment its a sure things its food related and the poor dogs liver is affected..Sure lots of should a could a's in this life..but when your dealing in the act of bringing NEW lives into the world I think you should hold to a different standard...I know that is the approach i take...and inactuality I should...I am producing furture pets and hopefully champions out there and if I mess up..the living breathing creature suffers..not a inatimate object...but some thing with a soul...so..please...dont think me uncaring, unthoughtful or unkind..Im am any no where near that..My first concern..as a breeder is my pets welfare..and if I drop the ball...then what do I have...
Huron...you are a very good breeder. You do everything right. No one is going to argue with you there. People do make mistakes though, and there is unfortuantely a learning curve for everything. Including learning how to breed dogs responsibly.
I didn't know 1/4 of what I know now, when I started 10 years ago. Maybe this guy is new. Maybe he could have benifited from a large forum like this. Now, he is lost and he will never know what other breeders are doing to be better. That's all I'm saying.
I'd have to say that I agree with Huron Breeze on this one. If this "breeder" was concerned about the health and well being of his puppies and their potential future generations, then the dog should have been autopsied. I'd seriously considering taking my dogs to another vet, if my vet was talking me out of veterinary care for my animals, including an autospy.
Sure, that is not going to bring your dog back, we all know that, but it would give you peace of mind, knowing what your dog succumbed to. I only hope that you sold the puppies from that bond on strict spay and nueter contracts and that you follow through with that.
God only knows what the dog died from, but that is no excuse to be ill-informed and try to portray yourself as a "breeder". Just because your dogs can mate, does not make you a good breeder. A good breeder would follow through and want to know all that they can about the dogs they are working with. To investigate the bloodlines that you are using for potential genetic and / or physical defects. You certainly would not be wanting to produce dogs / puppies that had the potential for health risks.
Use some couth and try to comprehend what Huron Breeze is saying. She is very knowledgeable about dogs, they are her passion and you can learn a lot from her years of experience. And before you ask, yes she does take excellent care of her animals and prides herself with producing qualities puppies when she does chose to breed.
For those of you criticizing Huron Breeze, shame on you. Listen to yourselves. Why raise a litter of puppies if you are not trying to improve the breed? Bulldogs have such a series of health problems, due to the fact that there are so many so called "breeders" producing litters.
If you are going to raise dogs or cats or horses, or ferrets or whatever, take the time to learn all you can about the species. Don't produce offspring just for the fact that you can. Learn from this persons mistakes.
I would not trust in the advice of the vet that told this "breeder" to go ahead and breed their dogs at 1 1/2 years old, that they were ready. There is something seriously flawed in that statement. The dogs are not matured enough and certainly have not undergone the proper testing at 1 1/2 years, since many tests cannot be administered before age 2.
Is there anyway your dog could have gotten into antifreeze? Several years ago some teenagers through some antifreeze into my aunt's yard (later they said they wanted to see if the doberman would drink it), the dog died 3 days later.
You might want to check your property to see if their might be something the dog got into that you are not aware of.
Just to clear up a few things before I leave. This WAS my first litter of pups. I have learned a lot... I DID make the terrible mistake of not getting an autopsy. The vet who told me it was ok to breed at 1 1/2 year is NO LONGER MY VET! I have a new vet!! So lesssons learned & I FEEL absolutley horrible that this "lesson" has cost me my dear dog's life. Go ahead & think I am a screw up breeder,,,, I am sure none of you EVER made any mistakes in bringing lives into the world! I guess you are all perfect and was born with all the "dog knowledge" Whatever... we all make mistakes - you can't say you haven't. I DID SELL ALL THE PUPS ON SPAY/NUETER CONTRACTS,.... I thought carefully about this decison & thought since this was my first breeding & litter I was not selling any with breeding rights until my line was established and I knew there were no health issues later in the pups life. As far as testing I do not use OFA therefore the dog does not have to be 2 years old. Olde English Bulldogges are a new rare breed and OFA does no have enough dogs of this breed that have been tested to compare the x-rays to... believe me I checked into this also & was upset when OFA couldn't do them! By the way I am a she. And I really didn't come here asking what people thought of my breeding practices! I simply came here to gather information on my suspision.. more than likely my dog didn't die from the food.. we had finally decided that he ate a posioned rat & died.. we had found rat parts near the barn where he was that day. Then this food recall comes up & I think anyone in my situation would just wonder a little bit too when he was on Diamond (the batch that was recalled too!!). It drives me INSANE that I do not know.. if it would help - I would go dig him up now to find out for sure.. after I got home from taking his body to the vet and thought... 2 days later I regreted my decision.. I just wanted closure. It is very shocking loosing such a healthy, happy dog at such a young age. Any how I didn't ask you to judge my breeding practices... I asked if anyone near me has had a similar thing happen to their dog that was on Diamond food. Therefore if no one did... it probally would not be the food.. and I could rule that one out for sure. You know I am just gonna drop it - he is dead - his pups are alive - thank GOD I did not sell them with breeding rights! That is the only thing I am thankful in this whole ordeal. His pups are doing very well and they all have been checked by their new owners vets and are all healthy.. according to the vets anyhow... maybe not according to Huron. And Huron... as for not letting people come here with a new litter... you should have seen me - people actually got mad at me & still will not speak to me... me neighbors were not allowed to come over, no one was allowed no where near my whelping room... all shoes were taken off outside before anyone came in. The buyers were not allowed to come see their pup until 1 week after they had their vaccines. I actually had a security camera set up in the whelping room - if my family wanted to see the pups... they seen them from a black & white tv upstairs in my kitchen! Like I said I am not ignorant. And pedigrees... health, background, for 2 YEARS I looked to find the most perfect healthy dogs.. I bought them from puppies so I would know their exact temperament. I went back 7 generations on my dogs.. I found out where each dog is at today.. whether it was alive or dead - I have pictures of all their ansestors back 4 generations... I don't know what more I could have done... like my vet said... it was a freak thing & it will probally never happen again... & I pray to God it doesn't. So there I hope I cleared things up for you all. Good bye!
hi dobielover. We did we scan the yard & the barn & garage the next day. We do not keep any posion of any kind.. we live in the country and the dogs would have carried on & let us know if someone came here & posioned him. We do not keep antifreeze anywhere but on the very top shelf in the garage & thats where it was that day.. I am a paranoid freak about stuff like that. I even checked the yard for posionous plants. The only thing we found & we had concluded until this Diamond but came up was that he had injested a poisoned rat. We found parts of a rat up by the barn where he was with us that day. We think he may have went over in the field beside our house and picked up the rat's body that one of the neighbors may had posioned. From what I found out from other breeders & the internet there is a highly potent rat poision that they rat could have been posiond with & killed my dog. The posion is called Sodium Fluoracetate-1080, or Cyanide. With very few signs & sometimes no signs are present with these posions.. the dog in most cases is found dead for no apprant reason. Sounds a lot like my case.
We also have a fenced yard off our house - so now my dogs are not allowed outside the fence for ANY reason & they really enjoyed going out & working with us. I am like a security guard now!
Bullzeye..sorry for your loss, and I'm even more sorry that you had to be treated so badly during your time of greiving and searching for answers.
One thing I have learned from posting on this forum is that so many on here swear their better than everyone else. And then others act as if they're the only one with rights to breed and so forth. It's pathetic.
However, the nice ones out number the others. So don't give up on us here. You can get lots of advise here. I have. And as for the rest of them...to each his own, because it's obviously not mine :)
Keep your head up and do what feels good to you. Who cares what others think. If you know you're doing the right thing then you are. Because the only one we can be true to is ourselves. Personally, those that don't agree with me have the right to, but that doesn't bother me none.
Well that's what I figured. Some one can read, research and study until the cows come home. Until you actually experience breeding/whelping/ and raising SEVERAL litters you don't know what to do or expect.
The quickest and often most painful way to learn is through your mistakes. Good luck to you.
Im not goign to get into this.Im not on anyoones side.i will stick to being on my own side.LOL Anyway Bull,I feed the diamond lamb and rice and it corn,wheat ,and by product free.Im sorr about your loss.
I'm terribly sorry for your loss, I know its really hard to think straight when something horrible happens, and we rely on our vet to guide us at such times.
Diamond has recalled a huge amount of food, their testing it, and from another forum that I read I've heard that about 2% of it is coming back poisoned. There have been confirmed deaths, 20-30 have been in the news. Back in the 90s there was a similiar situation in Texas with Old Roy, 25 dogs died then.
I, too, am very very sorry for your loss... this topic should have been about the food and poisoning (not about the breeding ethics). I personally know someone who is affectd by this diamond food recall and may be losing several dogs because of it... it's horrible and disgusting that it even had to happen.
Yes, to answer your question...it's possibly and more likely PROBABLY the reason for your dog's death.... :( We will be hearing about the outcome of this for months to come, I'm sure.
Thank you to those who are supportive of me & realize what I am going through. The Lamb & Rice was not affected. It is actually the corn in some of the other brands not the rice brands .. Aflatoxin is a mold that found in corn. I fed Hi-Energy & Puppy & it was affected. from what the store said where I got my food - they get their Diamond from the Gaston plant and they had to remove it from the shelves.. that is all I have been able to find out now. Yes, you are right - this will be going on for the months to come... I guess it just surprises me - I would have never thought your dogs food could kill them. I did switch my food - I am paying a lot more... but my dogs are worth it... for those who don't know the brands that were affected here is a list... and it is only the ones with certain dates,,,etc...
I'm sorry about the loss of your dog. Something similar happened to one of my dogs one time, but I got lucky, and she survived. Like you, I didn't have any poison for her to get into, and the yard had not been sprayed with anything. She most likely got it from a poisoned rat. Waiting to see if she would survive was the most terrifying experience of my life.
When people use poison to get rid of unwanted rodents, the poison gets into the food chain and spells disaster for a number of animals. I wish people would think before using it as a quick fix.
Are you keeping any of the puppies? Even though nothing can replace the loss of your beloved dog, I hope following the puppies' progress will at least bring you some happiness.
oh my gosh...... that pup is tooooo precious! What a poser! :) What's his name??? I know it's already been 7 weeks and hard to move on ... but the good news is you have a puppy to love and adore... and you can snuggle with him at night and tell him about his daddy... a soldier and all... :)