Well again I have to think of things this way. At one time or another we are ALLLL new and nieve. We aren't all professionals but wow it sure sounds like this pet owner needs our love and sympathy not a lecture. She/he knows more than she/he knew before coming here so maybe we should (and I don't know much...remember my dog sired pups at 1 year 8 months) because I didn't know better..) instead of criticize we should try to nicely educate.
joce.. yes it was not too long ago.. Diamond said the food with the aflatoxin was made between Sept.1 thru Dec.10! When I heard that I thought it may be a possiblilty thats what happened to my boy. I would have never thought they would be making it for 3 months! It is sad! I guess Diamond does not test their food. An area vet had to bring it to their attention for them to even know. The vet had 3 suspicous, unexplained cases of liver disease in dogs. They were all on Diamond food.. if it wasn't for that vet - Diamond may still be shipping out posion to our dogs!
TheMonster.. thank you I am very happy to have that pup here. His name is Diesel.. actually Vin Diesel - I named him that because he is so handsome:)
There is a lady that called my breeder that said her puppy was eating Diamond brand kibble and it died, poor baby. I also know of a women who lost all 4 of her labs because of it. Did you notice any yellowing of the eyes or gums, thats one sign, here is a list of states that had effective product. Plus other info straight from the Diamond site, http://www.diamondpetrecall.com/
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Ok he didn't have any serious signs that were really out of the ordinary that I thought required vet care...here were the only signs I can think of now... now at the time I didn't think much of it because Bulldogges can be stubborn & sometimes they just refuse to eat or refuse to do anything they don't want to do.
One time during the week prior to him passing away - he had what looked like blood in his stool... now before I made a another panic trip to the vet I thought I would wait & see what his next stool looked like because he acted fine - he was just tested for worms and it was neg. No more bloody stools at all - they all seemed normal - I didn't see it necessary to take him to the vet. About the entire month prior to death he would just barely pick at his food - he would eat but not all the food.. (my Rott mix in the barn actually stopped eating the Diamond food & buried it ... which he can be a finicky stubborn dog too - he did this the entire month of Nov. until I finally switched his food. He preferred to eat the goat's food over the Diamond.).. back to the Oldie that died... 2 days before death he didn't eat at all he put straw on top of his food.. he had a concrete kennel so he couldn't bury it with dirt...so he used his straw. Again I just thought he was being a brat (and he may have been). There were no stools at all 24 hours before his death. The day of death he was out of his kennel with us the entire day. We live on a farm in the country so he wasn't leashed - he stays by our side waiting for a job to do. Well I went to put him in his kennel at 5:00 - He was such a good boy that day I gave him a big hug - I noticed he looked tired & a little pale.. not quite yellow.. just pale. I figured it was because he was tired. He gladly went in his kennel.. which I knew he had to be tired. I went out 15 mintues later & he was laying there. Immediately panic sunk in I ran to his kennel, unlocked it and he wasn't breathing... me & my hysband tryed CPR for 1/2 hour & had my vet on the phone. He could not be revived.. his airway was clear & open so he didn't choke on something. He was still warm so he had just died before I found him. One more thing I can remember & it always bugged me but I figured he was just being a dog. Everyday when he was let out of his kennel to play he would run for the taller grass and eat & eat that grass until he made him self gag or vomit. He did this for about a month - maybe even 2 months before dying. So these aren't really any of the signs that Diamond lists. But my vet said different dogs show different signs & their livers handle this toxin differently.
I don't know... I really wish I would have seen him just 5 minutes sooner.. maybe I could have revived him.. he really was a special dog - & beautiful.. I'll post a picture of him.
he is such a cute boy.sorry again about your loss.it would be devastating to me if something like that was to happen to my little boy,his name is rudy and we have had him for 4 months and we addore him already.I could not bring up the sight on the pup,ill bet hes as cute as the dad.glad you kept one of the pups ,hopefully it makes things a little brighter for your family take care .
I know what it's like to lose a young pet. I lost my 4 month old English bully girl. It's been over a year now and honestly, I'm still not over it.
In hindsight, it's really easy to start second guessing all of our decisions. I do that to myself constantly. There's no way to re-do what has happened and the best thing to do is to let it go and move on. I'm having trouble doing that, I hope you won't have that problem.
Sorry for the loss of your Midas. He was really neat.
hi mollysmom... sorry about your loss. I think the bully breeds especially are very special breeds. They are so loving & loyal and become a big part of your family fast. They fit into our family so perfectly & I don't even see them as dogs anymore.. more like my kids I guess. They are so smart & they know what your thinking & these dogs will just do anything to make you smile... they are clowns! I know I have to get over this.. it's very hard as you know.. I really am trying.. I know that no one will EVER replace Midas.. but I have decided to move on.. I am getting another male pup in March & keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for better luck this time.
I don't think we will ever stop missing them - but they will always be with us & we'll get to be with them again someday:)
The other thing I would like to say is or ask really is How can anyone be so rude to a new member.. seriously as a senior (huronbreeze) I would have hoped you new better. I thought it was very rude the way you sounded to bullseye. How you commented on everything he/she said. I am as well a breeder and I am not that high and mighty. Who are you to judge how or why somebody breeds thier pet. And specialy to one who has recently lost a loved one. I came to this sight searching for answers to questions and to help others with thier questions. As a profetional dog psycologist I hope you don't use the same attitude towards your dogs as you did bullseye. I for one will not value your appinion in anything after this, I am not a senior or junior or whatever member here, so no I don't know that you have a good heart! I only got a horrible first impression.. think of that next time you decide to petronize and act rudly to someone. Your apinion was rude and unpleasant, please keep them to yourself next time you want to lash out at someone. It is very childish. When you end up in the same situation (if you do) I hope people act kindly towards you.. noone deserves a treatment like your.
Your pup is awsome , diesel is a cool name :) Sorry about midas, he sounded very special and I don't believe for a second you did anything but love him and care for him the very best way possible. I hope noone else will have to feel your pain if it was indeeed the food that took his life.
He did look the picture of health. Beautiful boy he was. Your user name Bullzeye, is the name of my boss's small business but not with a z. Yeah different dogs display things going on with them in different ways. Your dogs were trying to tell you something was up with it by burying the food. Don't beat yourself up, its not good for you. Had you known you would have done something a.s.a.p. My breeder also fed diamond to her dogs, rescues also. Not the pups or their moms thank god. She has noticed some yellowing in a few of her dogs eyes. Is pissed beyond reason, having all that have eaten that kibble tested. She is definately going to do something about it.
Oh I was noticing the olde english bullys look so much like the american to me. In our rescue we have one that is said to be american. He looks very much like your boy.
The pup you kept is adorable by the way.
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alex....Wrote:The other thing I would like to say is or ask really is How can anyone be so rude to a new member.. seriously as a senior (huronbreeze) I would have hoped you new better. I thought it was very rude the way you sounded to bullseye. How you commented on everything he/she said. I am as well a breeder and I am not that high and mighty. Who are you to judge how or why somebody breeds thier pet. And specialy to one who has recently lost a loved one. I came to this sight searching for answers to questions and to help others with thier questions. As a profetional dog psycologist I hope you don't use the same attitude towards your dogs as you did bullseye. I for one will not value your appinion in anything after this, I am not a senior or junior or whatever member here, so no I don't know that you have a good heart! I only got a horrible first impression.. think of that next time you decide to petronize and act rudly to someone. Your apinion was rude and unpleasant, please keep them to yourself next time you want to lash out at someone. It is very childish. When you end up in the same situation (if you do) I hope people act kindly towards you.. noone deserves a treatment like your.
******************************************* Look ...your no more a breeder then a man in the moon...who are you to me..not a darn thing..so I care if you find my post offensive or if you value my opinion or any thing.....look..see it for what is really is..
a person is so worried about a beloved pet ( a bully and we all know even pets cost a bundle) and they drop over dead...no diagnostics were done..and each post the answers got different..Im no dummy..and I AM A DOG BREEDER...and i would not ever let a dog die..with out finding out the why to it especially if I had pups on the ground..Peroid...if you can figure it out...too bad..others seem too..
yes..Im a senior member..and have been on this site when the shear mention of breeding a litter got you bashed bloodly..this was wayyy before the "no bashing breeders/breed rules". I have paid my dues believe me...and if i would have posted such a post i would have been run out on a rail...believe me....So..this persons dog drops over dead...all of a sudden the finger gets pointed at dog food since it has a recall...but their dog died a couple months ago..probaly not associated with the recall...but gee maybe I can contact Diamond and make a fuss out of this..Sure..this person admitted they should have done diagnostics..but personally i dont care if its your first litter or your millionth litter...I hold you to some darn high standards.the same hight standards i uphold...so I can practice what i preach..if you dont like it..tough...poor substandard or ill pets are churned out every day by people every day who claim its their first litter..but what about the lives..people can give that excuse since it is just a dog at stake..well..its a living being.. that deserves the best..and if you cant offer and give it the best..then you have no business putting 2 dogs together..at all..so..like I care about your opinion of me..you dont pay my bills..i didnt post i have a problem come help me..phhhhh your a breeder...thats a joke...
puttin510... yes some Olde English Bulldogges look a lot like American Bulldogs. The foundation for my bulldogges were Scott's American Bulldog & only the healthiest, free breathing English Bulldogs. In other Oldie bloodlines... foundations used were American Bulldogs, Pit Bulls, Staffordshire bull terriers, Dogue De Bordeaux, and always English Bulldogs. The main goal for breeders of the Olde English was to bring back the healthy bulldogs of the old time... the 1800's. Today's AKC English Bulldog would never be able to do the job he was bred to do. WE as breeders of the Oldies are bringing back these "original" bulldogs by recreating them with the healthier bull breeds of today. Olde English bulldogges should be active, free-breathers, free-whelpers, and defintely not a lazy dog - they are a working breed. There are a lot of people that dont even know about this breed - so you may have an Oldie in your rescue - but people don't know the difference so they call it an AB. Usually the less generations of OEB that is in their pedigree the more they look like Americans. My female is 5th generation OEB & Midas was 7th generation. I would personally never attempt a foundation breeding - my Oldies I buy for breeding must be at least 4th generation Olde English Bulldogge... but that is just me.
And Huron... I really don't care what you think... think what you want - some day if you haven't already - you will find yourself in a situation that you don't make the right decision and you regret it later.. you should really feel stupid if you even listen to the news and read the newspaper & other posts about the Diamond food on here & everywhere else.. because it is a possibilty this is what happen to my dog & peoples dogs have been dying left & right for the past 2 months because of the food! This food that is now being recalled was sold back in Sept.!! So go ahead Huron feed your dogs Diamond .... here in a few weeks you may be regreting your decision like me!
I am very interested in this topic about working dogs, I dont want you to think Im being rude because I am not Im just a little stupid on this but it is very interesting to me when I hear this term used please explain more please break it down in simple terms not breeder language please also thanks
When I hear working dogs...I think of things like say weight pulling(some might not consider that working I do) Hearding, guarding, hunting, work with the disabled, work in nursing homes, etc. etc.... When I hear working dogs thats what I think of...
*earlier post removed, no longer applies : )
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oh I see to be honest I never thought of it in all those ways ,sightseeing dogs I have and police dogs.but Ive never thought of a dog being used for any other reason very interesting,and when I hear bullzeye say,the dad did his jobs okay for the day but a little tired ready to go back into his pen ive been wondering ever since what he meant.thanks rebel
Sandycane... Most people today use Olde English Bulldogges to work. Mostly they are used to round up cattle for farmers. They do not go to the extent of using them to take down a bull or anything like they used to but if imtimidated by a bull the bulldogge will not back down - he will put the bull in his place right away. There are a lot of breeders who breed Oldies for show or compainions. But there are also a few breeders that I know that raise and breed their Oldies for livestock/cattle round-up. They keep all the cattle & calfs together. My male that passed away had that herding instinct. I got him from a breeder who also used hers for working on her farm.. I like that - I like my dogs to have jobs... they don't get bored and chew your shoes!lol Anyhow Midas rounded up my goats and my chickens. I only have 7 goats.. but he just kind of took it upon himself to herd them back into their fence when they got out. Also at night when we made our trip to the barn - if the chickens weren't already in their coop for the night I could let him in there and he would gently round them up & direct them toward the door to go inside for the night. They are extremly smart & gentle.. you really need to work with them at a young age and show them whose boss right away. Now my female is just a pet.. her job is to make us laugh and protect us. She is a VERY protective girl! Her family (which is us) is the most important thing to her - she shows it everyday.
If you want to talk more about Oldies - I will go on for days!lol Everyday it is something new with them - they are really an amazing breed. And I thank the great breeders who brought them back from extinction for my dogges.
Oh and one of the pups I sold went to a lady who works for Hospice... she actually has the pup in training now & plans on getting him certified for a therapy dog.. so I am proud of this pup - he is actually gonna do something with his life!lol
sorry... seen Rebel's post... he/she is right ... I forgot weight pulling too - carts, conpetitions etc. I was going to get Midas into this to - we were just starting to work on his weight pulling training - he was VERY powerful.. here in Ohio there are a lot of weight pulling competitions that Oldies, Pits, & American Bulldogs compete in.. (but I have enven seen a Jack Rusell compete in one!) The one little dog(a Banter Bulldog) I seen once pulled 3,500 pounds... the dog only weighed 38 pounds!! And she loved it - you could see the excitement in that dog's eyes.)
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