Now she has started a new topic on this mess and I have already answered her but will never give her the satisfaction of an argument. I think that there has been enough of that already. It really should stop
Basset_lover you just sent an e-mail to my friends mother who is the authorized kennel owner, her doughters and she started the kennel 1997 and I have been with them alot because of my interest in Dogs. I've been there for almost every whelping. So go ahead and try again. This is really pathetic would you like the telephone nr as well so you can call her. Tell her I said hi! And my parents are doing fine will you. Do you want to know anything else? Maybe date and time of birth and how long the whalpings took? Or have you had enough of petronizing people today?
You know I just can't believe you guys bickering back & forth on whose dog is champion & whoes dog isn't! I am sorry I even posted my d*** question here... again you are off the subject of my entire question! I DIDN'T ASK FOR AN OPINION ON MY HORRIBLE BREEDING PRACTICES OR IF I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AN AUTOPSY!!!!!!! I ASKED IF ANYONE'S DOG IN OHIO HAS DIED SUDDENLY & WAS EATING DIAMOND FOOD. That is it!
Thank you doxie & everyone else who tryed to get these rude people/breeders...whatever you call them to get back to the REAL question. It is amazing how many breeders these days just think they were born with the knowledge of everything about DOG. Well everyone has to start somewhere - no one is born with all the knowledge on something they do - you learn by your mistakes, you learn by others. I guess I expected too much from people on this board.. I read through some posts 1st when I first found this board & thought this may be a good place to talk to others whose dogs are sick or died - to get an idea if it possibly could have been his food. If I would have gotten responses from others in my state with similar situations & similar timing I could start going from there - but I didn't all I got was responses to my terrible breeding practices & that I was an idiot!
And by the way Huron... I read another post you responded to.. about a person whose American Bulldog was bred a couple months ago & they had no idea when the pups were going to be born.. and you treated that person with so much respect!! & gave them helpful advice... WOW what is your deal with me???? I would NEVER consider breeding a dog if I had no clue how long they are pregnant & what to do during whelping & caring for the pups! I would have to agree with some of the others... you are a peice of work. The fact that Huron keeps bringing up in a lot of her posts about these "valuable, expensive" dogs leads me to believe she is jealous of my dogs!lol It wasn't about the money I had in my stud when he died - it NEVER was - I don't care about the money - I care about my dogs.
No matter how much we all try there will NEVER be the perfect dog - all breeders must realize that. I think it is a dream we all have & we try our best, & we get some really great dogs,,,, but still not PERFECT. This could have happened to Huron as easily as it happen to me & doing an autopsy would change nothing! Pups were born & on there way to there new homes. I do not have disease here - I never have - I would have known if my dog had kennel cough & kennel cough very rarely kills dogs anyhow! He had all his vaccines, no diarehha, no other signs of illness other than what I posted earlier. So I guess if Huron & a few of the others have fun sh**ing on me - go ahead - it must make you feel better in some way!
Oh & after about 4-5 days of this now... Even after being TOTALLY OFF SUBJECT...I am assuming no one in Ohio has lost their dogs or they are sick..... therefore I will conclude that my dog has not died from the food he was eating. So Huron... go on please... tell me he died from a genetic condition that he passed on to his pups - whatever the pups will die suddenly then - still nothing I can do about - I AM NOT GOD! I don't not try to be GOD! All the pups's owners were made aware of what happened with their dog's dad-- they actually were all very supportive of me... if anyone had the right to bitch at me they would have every right & they didn't ...so there!
I am going back to my original conclusion that my dog injested a posioned rat. So there you go guys... have fun with that one!
My respect goes out to bullseye who throughout this whole ordeal has been calm even when horrably put down. Not even I could take it I got angry. That was my bad. You shouldn't discuss things with ignorant people, you just yourself on the same level as them and they'll win because there better at being ignorant. Out of respect for Bullseye I will stop my side of the nonsence. This was accually about the dog and not who's better then the next. I still stand by my oppinion. I hope I never end up in a discussion with any of you again cause you're just plaine mean people. Sorry bullzeye hope you'll feel better over your loss and get the answers you were searching for, without being put down again.
lovemydane.. tell me about it!lol I swear I never would have guessed that my original post would have gathered this many children together! I am sorry ..really I shouldn't have responded again after my first post... I guess I get defensive because I put alot of time & energy into my dogs!- but I really shouldn't of had to explain myself & every thing that happened into detail.
A**lec... Thank you very much - you are right... this place is obviously for mean, know-it all people who try to convince others they are helping. I do appreciate everyones - KIND words. Thanks
***Edited By: bullzeye on 1/2/2006 11:26:14 AM*** Reason: add
Wow, I can't believe this has went on for so long. I imagine it is because most of the people on here are pet/shelter/rescue families and don't agree with breeding at all, or very limited (as in only Champions).
I do show and breed w/ champions, but I have said time and time again, if everyone did that then average families could not afford 'pets', not to mention years of waiting to get a breed of puppy you were looking for.
I have also heard many times 'there are many ways to be a 'bad breeder' and only one way to be a good one'. Not true. Just like PARENTING, everyone has to make their own choices and decisions regarding their dogs. You may or may not agree with this persons methods, you may not like how they do things... but like children dogs are resilant and will generally be just fine, even if they don't come from the best conditions.
There are definately 'bad breeders'. That said, I think very few are so EVIL that they say 'I don't give a crap about my dogs, their puppies, I just want money and I don't care the problems I am producing'. I don't buy it. That attitude is far and few between.
As I said in the thread earlier, everyone makes mistakes, particularly newer breeders. There is a LEARNING CURVE. It sounds like Bullseye did a lot of good things too. Making the pups all go on a neuter contract.
HB is entitled to her opinion. I don't agree, but I see where she is coming from.
On a personal note, I didn't always get necropsy's on very young puppies, I aways assumed it was 'fading puppy', mom smooshed or just a weak puppy. I have learned to get them ALL necropsied, because it can save you lots of worry and heartache later if it is a bacterial or viral problem. I had to learn the hard way.
I will end this post by saying I just wish that people would not attack other people directly on TP. I hate that. I have been guilty of getting in to nasty fights I am not proud of, but I believe that in every case it was ALWAYS after someone had attacked me or my dogs PERSONALLY, and that isn't right. Degrading someones dogs is nearly on the level of cutting down a persons children and that's not right, nor constructive.
If you don't like the person or what they are doing don't say 'you should have, you didn't' THAT is attacking.
Intead say 'Well another choice would have been to....'
I second that alicat. I was defending myself on a personal level and I hate having to do that. My first post here was only that my oppinion differed from HB's and I was personaly attacked and thats what tickes me off. Having to prove myself for people I don't know or even care to know. But I am sorry for my actions.. It was not the mature thing to do. So I apologize to everyones discomfort.
bullzeye..wrote No matter how much we all try there will NEVER be the perfect dog - all breeders must realize that. I think it is a dream we all have & we try our best, & we get some really great dogs,,,, but still not PERFECT. This could have happened to Huron as easily as it happen to me & doing an autopsy would change nothing! Pups were born & on there way to there new homes. I do not have disease here - I never have - I would have known if my dog had kennel cough & kennel cough very rarely kills dogs anyhow! He had all his vaccines, no diarehha, no other signs of illness other than what I posted earlier. So I guess if Huron & a few of the others have fun sh**ing on me - go ahead - it must make you feel better in some way! ************************************* Look...Im done with this whole thing..i have nothing to prove..I honestly would have posted a differnt way, more sympathetic had you not been a breeder and all..for my not starting off with Sympathy..im sorry...I am stricktly for the animals..and no..and autospy would not change any thing..not one thing..but..you would know for sure/.and K nowing for sure is what really should happen in breeding animals, if you really care for them... Alicat said in essence she thought we all learn as we go..sadly i guess so..I personally didnt have to learn this...I do for my dogs and cats like I do for my kids..I compromise noting for health and care..its just me..and to Alex...No...in not rich..but as a breeder as I said I compromise nothing for mine.If I can afford a procedure..then i have no business breeding then..simple as that....I will make payment to the vet if I ever had to..but have never had to...I dont expect any one to do what i would not..I have my self set up with extreemly high standards...i realise that..but shouldnt we all who do this have exreemly high standards..or what are we then..justs mills or byb...if you cant afford vet work..might not be some thing you can get into, my personal opinion...things happen..So no Bullzeye...there will never be the perfect dog..thats why you show your dogs and try to get the best of the breed standard...thats my intention any way..and thats what I do..when ever I do get two dogs together. I dont no if you have or dont have any thing genetic, bacerial or viral at your place..and you dont either...since you didnt do the necessary steps..that was my whole point..all in all that was it..If you had a pet die..and you didnt do the steps..i can see that..but your claim to be a breeder makes you differnt them the majority on this board..and pet owners are commenting to you from their particular point of view..I see you through the eyes of a breeder..thats all..So..and had you not had a litter..my comments would not have been so strong..So..I want to go back..Apologise if i offended you or any one..But please know..we are all astute on this board..and some thing that smakes of neglect in our eyes will be mentioned..and if you state some thing publically please be able to handle the ramifications..thats what this post should have shown you..not every one agrees..and what you think innocent might to another sound funny..as I took it since as i have explained I hold breeders in a different standard...so.please..allow me to apolgise again..and i will leave it at that....
I would like to personaly apologize to HB for my imature note earlier, just seemed that you personaly accused me of not being responsible with my dogs. Which I take very personaly, and believe you do to. But I was out of line and now understand your harsh note to bullzeye. I still beieve it was a bit rude to a person you don't know but I do see where you are coming from. I hope you accept my appologeeze. (don't know how to spell it?!)
Vin Diesel is gorgeous (I LOVE the name by the way!) and looks like he's really into getting his picture taken.
I never knew that an animal could die from eating a poisoned rat! OMG! I will NEVER, EVER use poison...EVER to kill rats or mice or anything for that matter. That was something I just never knew and I'm so glad to know.