i agree with you that there are alot of animals waiting at shelters for new homes.
i am not a vet, but have assisted vets when needed. why i crop my own....well after seeing the bad ear crops in this area done by vets (too short/too long/mangled) finding a vet to do it right is another story....some want a pattern brought to them. i have more experince on min pins than most of the vets in this area.
my kennel isn't what i would call large. it was originaly a small farrowing house, but after massive renovation, it is now a kennel, with inside/outside runs. there are only 8 pens, 3 don't get used most of the time.
"Why would you have a kennel large enough to have a 'proceedure room' "
Exactly my thoughts. Someone who only breeds 4 litters per year wouldn't have a clue how to crop ears anyway. I know breeders of other breeds with docked tails who have been involved for 20 Plus years who don't even do their own tails. c'mon!! We are not dumb here!
It IS illegal if you are caught to Crop puppies ears. Its called practising Veterinary medicine without a license. Docking tails and removing dewclaws at 3 days old is one thing but, you are Butchering your dogs ears and I'm sure the screams of the puppies (if you had neighbors) could be heard loud and clear.
typical commercial breeder/puppymill cheap/ lets save all we can and cut corners (pardon my pun)
"In North America, many veterinarians prefer not to crop ears. Some do it anyway because they fear that if they don’t, non-veterinarians may do it. Other experienced veterinarians crop ears on a regular basis for their own and for referred clients. Although the procedure is not taught or performed at many North American veterinary schools (including all four Canadian schools), explicit instructions for cosmetic otoplasty can be found in some current surgery texts. An example is the Textbook of Small Animal Surgery that prefaces a description of the technique with: “Cosmetic otoplasty is performed on the ears of certain breeds to meet breed specifications. There are no medical reasons for these techniques to be performed.”(5) There is a footnote to this description as follows: “Editor’s note: This technique is not considered ethical and is illegal in some areas. Local details should be sought.”"
Over all my stance on this is..if you want this done find a vet that does a great job. Doing it at home could end with horrific results. They are qualified vets that do this. But you may have to travel...
hmmm... i find this interesting, that you think it would be practicing veterinary medicine with out a license. check with your vet about it. it is not illegal if you do it on your own animals, but doing it for other people, and charging them a fee, would be illegal....do some homework, find out some facts.
Yeah, I don't know how 'authorities' would differ what is a vet proceedure or not on your own animals. People forget that dogs and cats are considered animals in the eyes of the law.
Farmers do A LOT of their own vet care on their own animals including castrations (NEUTERING) without anesthesia. Razor blade, cut them out and they are on their way again. Think about that the next time you are eating your bacon or steak.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 1/9/2006 10:53:00 AM*** Reason: sp
rebel, you make a good point. it is only cosmetic. also, as i have people who want puppies that do not want the ears cropped. those puppies go to thier new home uncropped. sometimes even the tails go undocked if that is what the new owner wants.
to the other posts... puppy mills are a very bad thing. that is why i only breed dna certified puppies. puppy mills generaly won't spend the extra money to get the dna certification.
DNA certification means NOTHING other than you know who the mother and father of the litter are, which you should. DNA testing is NOT testing for genetic defects. Furthermore isn't it only like $25-40 per dog to get it done with AKC?
Puppymills also have to get DNA testing done because it is required now by AKC for all males siring over 7 litters in their lifetime.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 1/9/2006 10:56:17 AM*** Reason: add
Meh, I know it is getting off topic, but I don't see DNA testing doing much good at all. A puppymill would just register dogs under another registry like CKC or APRI. They are too greedy to risk their AKC privledges to do too much shady crap, now days, there are so many registration options and people buying from a pet shop have no clue about the difference between registries.
you are right. that is why i only register with akc. i see the others as knock offs, and a remedy to help puppy mills stay in business. i don't sell to pet stores either...after consigning 2 of my pups several years ago, i went in to check on them...the pet store owner had abused them. i picked up my pups, grabbed the papers and left, after telling him what i thought of him....shortly after that the pet store closed down due to reports of neglect and abuse. i only sell to individuals, and then follow up after they recive the pup.
I honestly don't know how they look compared to the standard. They don't look bad. Actually I have seen vets to a HELL of a lot worse cuts on boxers. I just don't know about them being awake when you are doing it. It doesn't seem right. In order to keep them free of pain you would have to have them so drugged up that it would be rather dangerous for a vet not to do it. How can you stand the yelping?
i do it as humanely as possible. there really isn't any yelping. they whine a little with the local anesthetic, just like any other shot such as a vaccine. (i make sure it is totally numbed before i make any cuts) then with the clamp in place, circulation of blood is reduced which helps minimize bleeding, i make my cuts, 1 cut per ear. i measure the part removed against the uncut ear to make sure they are even so they aren't lop sided. after it is all completed the pups are kept under close supervision for 24 hours, just incase they might have any problems. so far i have never had any complications, and i have been doing ear cropping for 9 years. 3 days after the surgery i start applying triple antibiotic ointment (to soak the scabs loose) to prevent puckering of the ears....seems to speed the healing, and reduce the scaring also.
they are in my name, and are in my possesion. ownership does not change until there is a bill of sale, and/or papers are transfered. it doesnt matter as long as the pup is mine at the time of procedure.
***Edited By: bon on 1/9/2006 10:28:57 PM*** Reason: add to
"And B) where would you buy local antestic(sp) to inject into these puppies? "
Good Question and one I've been pondering. Its is also Illegal to possess drugs that are RX only.
BTW, DNA'ing your dogs mean absolutely nothing as to the Ethics of what your doing. AKC does require a DNA profile on frequently used sires. Big deal! Anyone can swab the cheek of a dog. Not just anyone would do "back alley" surgery in their kitchen or "procedure area" on little dogs.
I've worked at a vet clinic. I've seen the ear crop dogs balling and screaming after surgery which is bad enough. To do it awake is an abomination.
lidocaine is easier to come by than you may think. the dna testing i do believe to be in effort of helping reduce the puppy mills. as far as the post surgery experience you have had....how old were the dogs? was general anesthetic used without the back up of a local? or did they wake up to the extreme pain? were they stitched? what was the overall condition of the animals before surgery?
***Edited By: bon on 1/9/2006 10:47:42 PM*** Reason: sp