Nope, love blood and guts (in humans only) I'm a nurse, lol. There are many breeders in PA I know that do their own crop, but the anesthesise (sp?....hey its late) them, not a local. I personally dont choose to do it, and I must say I still think the local is not what I would let mine experience. But that is just me.
I really am trying to give the OP benifit of the doubt. But that is becoming hard to do. I can not find one site that sales anything strong for a surgery such as this. And because OP is not speaking about this. I will call my vet and ask about this.
I probably need to explain my position on ear cropping. I am not against Ear cropping, tail docking or dewclaw removal. I like the look of a nicely cropped ear on breeds that should have or call for a cropped ear. I believe some breeders do know where to crop ears (as in length, etc) And I believe that a good knowledgable honest, ethical breeder can assist their vet in doing a good crop that looks nice and is safe and pain free for the dog. I do object to and find reprehensible a "breeder" who would butcher dogs in their makesift "procedure room" for the sake of saving a few bucks. Has anyone here had stitches? Ever had lidocaine administered? It stings like hell.. very very painful. So, not only do the dogs have to suffer several injections of this stinging solution then they get to have their ears cut off. Sure, its numb for a minute. then that wears off and 5 week old babies have blood loss and pain to deal with. They are barely weaned if that. I have a big issue with that. Not only is it painful but, the ears do not look good since the ear leather is much smaller at 5 weeks. I've seen plenty of these hacked off ears on petshop dogs.
Rebel.. you can ask your vet and he'll tell you that its illegal to have lidocaine if you are not a medical dr. or veterinarian.
to those who think i run a "puppy butcher shop": you have never seen my procedure or facility, and would rather make an attack on something you know nothing of, instead of learning anything about it. you are making more of a fuss about it than any puppy ever has. a knowledgeable breeder could do ear cropping givin they had the knowledge, equipment, facility, and the steady hands required. yes. i have had lidocaine injections myself, and have been awake for major surgeries also..no big deal. the only stinging there is with a lidocaine injection is the initial needlestick, usualy due to not letting the alcohol (used for disinfection skin)being completely dried...that usually stings. do you also freak out if you get a splinter in you finger,thinking you need a trip to the ER? there is no 100% pain free ear cropping, wounds arent pain free ever unless you have major nerve damage. you seem to be very closed minded and could possibly be suffering from R-CIS syndrome...something you need to check into.
by the way...where is there leather in a dogs ear? last i knew leather came from dead animal skin afer chemical processing. im guessing you meant cartlige, but who knows. unless you want to ask questions or state opinions, without hostility this will be my last reply to your attacks. i don't have time for your hostility.
Like I said I have seen much MUCH worse boxer crops preformed by vets... who have little or no training, and they are just trying to make a buck.
I don't even have a problem with her doing the cropping... if as I said about 6 posts ago... she could find a vet to give a GENERAL ansethesia while the proceedure is being preformed.... vets used to do this for show people... FREQUENTLY... now weather they stopped due to LIABLITY OR GREED we will never know. I know many vets out there discourage people from doing their own vet work, because they would like to make a quick buck themselves.
I have said more than once any ear cropping is painful. Even if done by a vet and I have told what puppies waking up from the GENERAL anesthesia sound like. It is terrible. AND there is a MUCH higher risk of the puppy dying during the general anesthsia, rather than the local she is doing.
I guess she is weighing the RISK of general over the higher discomfort of local. I DON"T agree, necessarily, but it is her business. I would LOVE for the whole debate to be ended. I PERSONALLY hate ear cropping, prefer the natural ear, and CAN NOT WAIT for the day that it is ALL ILLEGAL, as it is in some Eurpean counties.
That is the only way natural eared boxers will not be discriminated against in the show ring.
As far as getting the drugs...if you are freinds with a vet you can get your hands on many things that they DO PRESCRIBE for you. That is between the person and their vet. Some vets trust breeders with Oxytocin (sp), while others want you to travel in with your whelping bitch so they can give it to her (no thanks). I would also never keep a vet that didn't allow me to help 'catch puppies' during a c-section. That's me.
thank you alicat. yes. to me general is way too risky. where else would i get the anesthetic than from my vet? if some people had read the post saying i help my vet when needed, they might have figured it out. i actually taught my vet something he didnt know how to do. cutting the fighting teeth on a male llama, back before llamas were a big thing here. my vet doesnt do ear cropping at all, mainly due to lack of time. he thought that as small as the pups were, local anesthetic would be safest. where else would i get my clamps too? they are tied up in a patent and aren't available anymore, to anyone, unless they already had one before the patent got tied up. i agree that natural is the safest, and should be allowed in the show ring without penalty, but too many closed minded people prevent it.
Beagles1-- some of the stuff that this person has said is suspicious to say the least, but you have NO idea what this persons facility looks like. Actually the pictures she posted looked like healthy well cared for dogs... not like the kind that would be in a puppymill.
This is the internet. This person may or may not have a nice place, kennel, puppymill what ever. YOU DON'T KNOW enough to be PERSONALLY ATTACKING THEM as you did.
Rules in red above...NO 'Breeder/Breeder Bashing'. I am not saying you have to like them or agree with their practices, but don't put it on a personal level like that. This is a forum, you are entitled to your opninion just don't make it rude. That's when I start disliking this forum, a lot.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 1/10/2006 12:30:50 PM*** Reason: ad
yah, like i said they were done when i got her. they are a little uneven and show stitch marks too.
she's a bit heavier now than she was in that pic. i have troubles keeping her weight under control. she is the laziest min pin i have ever seen. on occasion i can get her to chase wild rabbits, atleast till they stop, then she runs back to me as if they are going to get her. lol
thats so funny. I got a min pin for my 5th birthday (he died 2 years ago he was 15) and he was the smallest little dog i had ever seen very active too. then he got real fat. he was still active but not as avtice as he was befor he got fat. It was so funny to see him go into his house.
My grandpa took the heater hose out of the wall from the garage and cut the hole bigger so he could go in there when it was time to sleep well it was great but after he got fat he would spin circles then put his nose through spin agin put his nose through and keep at it untill he decited he could fit. He never had a hard time fitting but we would joke that he was burning off eoung weight to fit in his hole every night.
I think the disgust with self ear cropping is purely emotional and unfounded. There is no law outside of Europe against self ear cropping. I hope people really start to get a grip on reality and stop watching Animal planets animal cops ( animal cops hah what a gross and wasteful use of taxpayers money). And whats the deal with these new animal rights laws passing in some states geeeeeeeez whats next constitutional right for hamsters. I think bons right on the money. keep up the good work.
I'm not real impressed with the crops myself. Most people who choose to do their own crops do it because they show and most vets who do the crops only do a basic crop, and not a nice show crop. Though mine will allow me to show pics, make marks etc to assist in how I want the cut done.
The crop of the female that was already done before you got her has a nicer cut than the puppy you did(my opinion only of course) A good crop is long, no bell, and tapered. Thinking you dont do it to make a better crop, just more economical.
***Edited By: lpn169 on 1/23/2006 1:22:30 AM*** Reason: sp