I will not go into what one can and can not find at a shelter. Let it be known that what is avaliable is regional. All shelters are not the same and many are rather hard to adopt from, espcally when you have children or other pets.
At one time it did mean death. It no longer means such, it is a term for removal. If I alter a dog it is now culled from my program and the breed.
Attempting to stir people up with the arcaic use of the term will not help a thread continue productivly.
From being here, I've heard all kind of requirments from members that their local shelter have. Needing a fence, no ther dogs, no children. My local shelter doesn't have any strict guidelines, which could be good..or very bad, depends on how you look at it. So anyway, yes when you walk down the aisles, there are tons of pure bred dogs. Plenty of people find they can't handle it, and drop them off. Or they get picked up, as I said there was a Chihuahua in the stray pick up. Also a corgi. That's really sad your's has that policy. I have not been impressed with animal control in my county, but we do have a no kill shelter. And the human society...is a kill shelter, but they do their best. Dogs are allowed there for a extended amounts of time. I even saw 2 mothers with litters of puppies...nursing. I've heard of shelters putting down mom and nursing pups.
Ok that makes me feel better knowing that people dont just kill there pups. Well i know some do but probly not as many as i was thinking when you guys first told me what it was.
Yah each shelter is diffrent. the one neer me is a little to easy to adopt from and they dont help you find a dog that will go well with your hom. You go in grab any dog give them $50 fill out some papers and leave. they dont even look over the paper. you have to pay to drop off a dog to. I think its $25 im not totaly sure though I have never gone there to drop a dog off.
has anybody really done any research on puppymills? i'm pretty sure that most, if not all, puppymills consist of one certain breed, not mixed or designer dogs as they are so called. i'm sure there are those puppymills that do involve mixed breeds especially the new puggle(i do own one myself, didn't get it from a puppymill by all means), but more often full bred dogs. of course they are probably not registerable and if they are, it's only because they are of one breed. i'm not sticking up for puppymills but i think there is a difference between BYB's and puppymills. but i don't in some cases believe there is a difference in BYB's and pure breeders. i've been to a breeder's house, heck i have a family freind that breeds saint bernard's and shows them. but i would consider her a BYB because she has kennel's all over in her back yard to house these enormous dogs. she sells these dogs and makes money so what does that make her? and where exactly is the fine line drawn to distingiush the difference between all of these? I own a puggle yes the new dog that everybody owns and everybody else hates because it is not a pure breed. but can you hate a dog just becuase it's not of full breed? i mean if it is a true puggle...full bred pug and full bred beagle mated. now i can see getting upset at the people breeding them to other dogs as i've seen like an already puggle bred with a chihuahua to make a toy puggle, come on get real. anyways i'm not trying to start a full out war with anyone by no means, i'm just trying to understand all the fuss over all these different dogs. As long as they are in good homes and loved like a member of the family, that should be enough. i also rescued a full bred yellow lab from our local shelter seven years ago, talk about a pain in the butt. he was a horrible dog at first. the reason he was left there was because he was too hard to live with. boy did we find out what they meant. but in time he became the best dog we have ever owned. we love him so much and he is a member of our family. i even think he think's he's human. it was only until this past fall we thought we would get him another little dog to keep him company and to keep him young, as he is starting to slow down and when he is with other dogs he has some get up and go. we went to the shelter a million times to see what we could find but all we saw was humungous dogs mostly rott's, pitt's, sheperds or all those rolled into one. not a good idea when you have kids getting these aggressive dogs hoping they will be gentle but finding out the worst. i wouldn't chance it. besides i didn't want another big dog, we already have one bull in our china shop. we wanted a small dog but with a lab temper so i did some research, and hence got a puggle. so i'm saying yes you should look at your local shelters, no noubt, but you shouldn't be made guilty for getting a dog elsewhere either. be it from a pure breeder or a mixed breeder. as long as you are serious to take on the responsibility of an animal or as i like to call it...another child. i'm just tired of all the bickering and arguing also.
Susie, nobody hates the dogs themselves. We're all dog lovers of all kinds.
Its just that mix breeding with fancy names seems to attract the unscrupulous who want to make a buck on the new fad and they are creating dogs just for the money. That means no tests, no research into the health of the parents, etc. Its just irresponsible breeding and thats whats filling the shelters. Even purebreds that are bred that way have a higher chance of ending up in the shelter. It also is a shame that people are paying big money for these dogs, when they could be doing a rescue and saving a life, instead. If people wouldn't take the bait, the fad wouldn't exist.
what do you mean by fancy name? i think labrador retriever sounds fancier than puggle. i didn't get a puggle because of it's name. i got it because it is of smaller stature than my lab but i didn't want too small of dog that you had to carry it around all the time because you'd be afraid of stepping on the poor thing. we did own a jack russel at one point because we wanted a little dog. it was given to us by my mother-in-law, who also breeds them. but we gave it back to her because it killed one of our cats. and i won't live with an animal that doesn't except others. the thing is...isn't this testing of the dogs an excuse to saying that full bred dogs are too mixed within themselves? there wouldn't be a need for testing if they weren't overbred in my eyes. if this is of such concern, why aren't humans tested for genetic problems before they are bred? just a logical question. the thing is i'm not agaisnt testing by all means, but just because there was a test done on a dog doesn't mean it is of more importance over another dog. i mean most dogs out there are going to get hip problems, arthritis, allergies. there is no getting around that, no matter how much testing is done. but, would you say to a child, well because you were born with hip displaysia you shouldn't have kids. no you wouldn't, well i hope not anyways. i'm not giving the okay to all these breeders trying to make money for the sake of making a buck, but i'm sure there is no difference with pure breeders and the others when that money comes rolling in. and what about us people that got our puggle from a breeder that supplied papers of their pure bred pug and pure bred beagle that was mixed just in case this little dog could establish itself one day? i'm not holding my breath on that, but i'm just saying if this were allowed to be done in a controlled environment, say if the AKC would see this going on and try to regulate such happenings, there wouldn't be such a fight over this. but becasue the AKC only regulates full bred dogs this BYB and puppymill problem has gotten out of control. I do not condone breeding just to make a buck whether it be pure breeders or others. I mean you shouldn't be breeding your dog just because you need to make your house payments on time. again i'm kind of stuck in the middle here because i own a full bred lab and then a mixed breed puggle. so i guess i'm just going to end this in that everybody has their opinion and it may not be the same as others, so can't we just all get along?
first off,whoever said a puggle has a lab temperment is a liar. You may have ended up with one like that but that is just one of the lies bybs use and another reason I cna't stand them. A lab is nothing like a beagle or a pug or the mix of them.
ther ewas an article in the paper on puggles the other day and the dog in the pic had crooked legs! Papers on the parents mean nothing when the breeder gets them from a byb themselves. The point of breeding is for the betterment of the breed. No mix breeder is doing this,at least not were you got your dog. That is purely for the money.
What makes you think it is ok, there are pug and beagle mixes everywere and they have an excuse to breed why? Becuase they will make great pets? Because the "breeder" really cares about her dogs? I bet!
***Edited By: joce on 1/6/2006 2:20:04 PM*** Reason: j
You don't know where I got my dog and you don't know whether the pug and beagle bred, were from a BYB, as you so call them. Don't assume you know every situation in the canine society. Just as you said, papers really don't mean anything whether it be full breed or a mixed breed when it comes down to it does it. Especially if you don't plan on showing it or breeding it like in my case. I could really give a good gal darn whether a dog came from royalty, it doesn't make it a better dog. ALL dogs were mixed breeds at one point or another. I think everyone has forgotten that. It all comes down to who thinks they are the better person by the type of dog they own. Pretty sad. Oh that person doesn't have a full bred dog, shame on them. Tell me when you see a woman with a baby, do you ask them of what origin the baby is from and do they have papers what their nationality, bloodlines, background are? I think not. Let me ask...have you researched your own geneolgy as much as you preach should be done with dogs? If only humans spent this much time on such things would the world be a better place therefore wouldn't have the over abundance of unwanted animals running amuck. I thought the well being of humans was the most important, but it looks as though we are obviously ranked below the canine species in the eyes of the full breed snobs. And I bet you are one of those.
But I digress, I didn't come on here to argue this never ending battle I just wanted someone to tell me what the the difference between BYB's and breeder's selling full bred dogs is. Because if I'm not mistaken, aren't most dogs breeding in the back yard? And I highly doubt breeder's have everydog they own living in their house with them.
Your breeder is one of those willy nilly throwing dogs together breeders. If she was trying to develop a breed there would be more to it than that. That is what makes her a byb. There is no way around that.
think whatever you want. I know I don't have anyhting against mutts,just the people who breed them.
And why do you keep comparing dogs to people? Its nothing alike.
A real breeder breeds for the love of the breed.You can't do that mix breeding. You came here ot hear what you wanted to and to argue what you didn't like so how can we help you?
***Edited By: joce on 1/6/2006 4:53:39 PM*** Reason: t
Ok, take it easy. No one's bashing you or your dog. Mine is purebred, but she might as well be a mutt as she is a rescue and not that well bred. But I think she is a great dog for us. But that is LUCK, don't you see. She has far more chance of having mega problems than a dog bred from a good line. Now if I paid over a thousand for her, I'd have been ripped off, purebred or not. Same thing with mix breeds. As far as "fancy names", I was referring to the combination of names that have been invented to make them more sellable and sound less like muts, thats all.
You've got to look at the big picture. You're missing the point, entirely.
I think there are some genetic tests for humans, for Tay-Sachs I think, and you can get an amniocentisis to check for Downs Syndrome and other defects in utero, I'm sure there are other tests too, and most people research the genetic problems prevalent in their families so they have a decent idea of whether they'll pass them on or not, like eczema, flat feet, certain types of cancer. Thats why closed adoption records are so wrong, it deprives people of such info.
Regardless, you can't compare people to dogs, its just foolish, and the 'all dogs were mixed breeds once' doesn't hold much water either, some breeds are centuries old, and were created over decades by different people, even some thru natural selection. Even the newer breeds(most newer breeds are at least a century old) were created very carefully, usually for a particular 'job', not just two separate breeds thrown together to create a fad mix. Its misleading to make such statements without also presenting the facts of the origins of the breeds involved at the minimum. Pugs are an ancient breed, thousands of years old. http://www.barkbytes.com/history/pug.htm
These breeds were developed over decades, centuries, breed charateristics have been fixed and purposely recreated, bred for, thats 'breed type'.
How can you compare all of that to someone breeding 'puggles' How can anyone be so ignorant as to call them a 'new breed' and believe it? Or to use the lame excuse 'all dogs were mixed breeds once' without having a clue about what really went into creating these two very different breeds?
Why is it so hard for people to open their eyes and educate themselves, or take the time to check out some of the info offered here? No, they'd rather say we're jerks and snobs and inflexible, and most foolish of all, 'hate puggles'. You know, when puggles go out of vogue, it'll be all us snobs volunteering at the shelters and rescues cleaning up the mess the puggle breeders made, just like we always do. Hardcore dog people are harsh because they care, because they have seen this happen over and over again, and no one wants to listen and learn.
"Just starting with the phrase "purebred snob" is going to start in some conflict. Perhaps that was the true interntion"
Thats ok.. Us "purebred snob" types can go as many as 10 pages on this subject fairly easily. Of course for the most part we are just talking to ourselves but, if it educates just one person its very worth the hassle of repeating yourself over and over and over!!