Yeah my vet said he's seen young pups with irreversible liver damage from over dose of Ivomec. So he cant tell someone he recomends it but cant blame people with a allot of dogs not wanting to use it.
This is the dose we use...
Ivomec for pigs .27% solution = 1/2cc. per 10 lbs of dog weight.
Ivomec for cattle 1% solution = 1/10thcc per 10 lbs of dog weight.
We usally use the one for pig because we have hogs and its availible but its easier to measure too. I liked when the HW shot was availible at the vet because it was every 6 months and I never worried about missing a dose but when they banned it (my vet said it was a bureaucratic kimic to make more $ off other products)I had to switch to Ivomec or I couldnt afford the flavor tabs for so many pooches. They're safe from the dreaded worm so thats all that matters now.Seeing so many multi dog people here I was curious to know how they protected them.
I mix my 1% with propolyne glycol so it is the proper dosage for dogs and can be given orally. I only have to mix it every few months so I can't give you the exact measurements. Learned about it from the lady I purchased my yorkie from. She had been breeding 44 years. A wealth of information. She also turned me on to bio-sol.
I use the 1% solution. 95% of the dogs in my house are over 50 pounds and my vet sells 50-100 heartguard for 89 bucks a pop. I know you can get it online, but I have a houseful of dogs and really have better things to dot hen spend 200% more on the same drug. Ivermec is in heartguard and people dont really need to drug pups that young. If they can't count, spend the 20 bucks and get a pack of under 25 pound heartguard for them.
As for the proheart 6 month shot it is not a gimmic. They found out as it built up int he dogs bloodstream it was casuing grandmal seziures and death in dogs. It was taking 2 or so dosages but a lot of dogs died and they died fast before it was yanked back off the shelf.
Our dogs live outdoors and we always start the pups at 4-6 months old. Its sad to see a one year old dog have to go through HW treatment. Dogs around my area wouldnt live 5-6 years with out protection, its very important.
If I am reading your post correctly, you are giving far too much ivermectin. You said that you give .10 per 10 pounds of 1% ivermectin undiluted, correct? If you read a Heartguard box the smallest size is for up to 25 pounds and contains 68 mcg. of ivermectin. You are giving 1000 mcg. of ivermectin per 10 pounds. If you have any pet supply catalogs on hand some of them state how much is in each size. Please be careful. I think many people get confused with the mcg. (microgram) measurements.
My father-in-law has taught us wrong and hes been using that old standard for over 30yrs! Maybe because we dont have small breeds like you that we never had ill effects. Thanks for bringing it to my attention and it will save me even more $ on meds using less.
I got the following info from a fellow coondog handler.But it dont look right does it?
The proven dose for 50-100lb dog is 0.272cc This is the amount of ivermectin in heartgaurd. So if you have a 50-80lb dog, you will give 1/4cc (0.25ml) of 1% Ivomec for cattle or 1cc of .27% Ivomec for pigs..monthly.Giving 0.1cc per 10lbs of body weight is too much.It may not do anthing bad, but why use more than you need? (provided by: Susan Lioyd,DVM)
I'm glad I brought this topic up! I'm going to dig somemore...
***Edited By: duchess on 1/9/2006 3:31:08 PM*** Reason: add on
Yes, it's an interesting med to study. There is such a wide range of dosing recommendations for ivermectin depending on what you are using it for, with heartworm prevention requiring the least amount. As long as you know the basics, one can figure out what they need. The basics are: 1 cc of 1% Ivermectin contains 10 mg. (milligrams) of ivermectin. There are 1000 mcg. (micrograms) in 1 mg. (milligram). Here's something out of a book I have:
"Ivermectin use in dogs:
Heartworm prevention--- 0.003-0.0066 mg/lb once a month.
Microfilarcide--- 0.023-0.09 mg/lb single dose.
Roundworm--- 0.09 mg/lb.
Hookworm--- 0.023 mg/lb.
Whipworm--- 0.045 mg/lb.
Parasitic lung disease--- 0.09 mg/lb orally once.
Miticide--- Sarcoptes scabiei, Cheyletiella spp., or Otodectes cynotis--- 0.14 mg/lb repeat in 14 days.
Demodex canis--- 0.27 mg/lb once a day for at least 90 days depending on response. The effective dose is not firmly established. Dose, dosing interval, and duration may vary.
Side effects rarely occur in dogs given a single dose of less than 0.9 mg/lb, which is 150 times the dose to prevent heartworm, 10 times the dose for intestinal parasites, and 3 times the dose used for demodicosis. Severe side effects, including tremors and loss of cordination, are seen at doses of 4.5 mg/lb, and death may occur at doses greater than 18.2 mg/lb. The median lethal dose (the dose at which 50% of animals will die) is 36.4 mg/lb. Dogs given 0.23 mg/lb daily for 14 weeks developed no side effects. At 2 to 3 times this dose, the only side effects were dialated pupils and decreased body weight. At 4 times that dose, half of the dogs treated had no significant side effects."
"The Pill Book Guide to Medication For Your Dog And Cat" Bantam Books Kate A.W. Roby, V.M.D. and Lenny Southam, D.V.M.
So as you can see, it all matters on what you are using it for!! I only advise people on the proper mix and dosage for heartworm prevention, which is why I will say to never go over the 1 cc per 110 lb label advice though you actually can from what this info states. I have only discussed heartworm prevention use with my vet, nothing more, so I don't advise for anything more because I don't want to be responsible for any mistakes. I will say that I have used it before for the sarcoptic mange on 2 rescues that came in with mange and it did work fine.
duchess: That's much stronger than what I use. The easiest way for people to figure out how much they need, is go to your vets and ask to see a box of Heartguard in the correct size for your dog. It will be in mcg. (micrograms). Write it down. Go home and look at the info I posted and break it down to the amount of mcg. you wrote down. If you cannot get it exact, go a little OVER the amount instead of UNDER. For example, if you need 68 mcg. shoot for 100 mcg, need 272 mcg. then shoot for 300 mcg. Since Heartworm prevention uses the least amount, you cannot afford to be under the needed dose or your dog may not be protected. Unfortunately because the needed amount is so very small, this cannot be accomplished without diluting it. One bottle will last so long that you can share with several people and split the costs. It will expire far before you can use it all. The way I see it, why give them any more than needed?
luvmy doxies...your so nice in your responces!Thanks for being understanding. I've bombarded my hubby with my info and now hes telling me to stop freaking out he hasnt purposely overdosed the dogs all this time.He said he'll take this topic to his next coonhunters meet and get the right doseage. UUGGGHH..men! Well there are plenty of differnt ratios when i started on my quest and i'm terrible at math but i'm going to do my best for my doggies!
Thank you for the compliment duchess! Yeah, when I first started on my quest for the magic formula myself I became obsessed with it! I would sit at the kitchen table with conversion charts, my book and a calculator and NOBODY was allowed to speak to me while I was doing it! Then I would run the whole math thing by my husband and he would look at me like I was talking chinese! Once I go on a mission to do something like that I can't give it up until I get it perfect. I would do different formulas over and over and over and compare them to others. Then eventually my brain would shut down for the night! For years I had used a formula from a vet. tech who also raised dachshunds but then one day I really examined the formula's math and it didn't seem right. My vet has assured me that I have it perfect now. This isn't the same vet that I had when I first started using ivermectin. I drive my hubby nuts. Any time any meds are dispensed to my dogs from the vet I still come right home and get my book out and double check the dosages and look for any cautions or drug interactions. I definately educate myself on any meds I give my dogs. I should've went to school to be a pharmisist!
I just ordered and received Parasite Dr. capsules and I wanted to find and talk to others who have actually used it to find out if it's really a good product. I took on a dog that has an advanced stage of heartworms and would like to try the natural remedy. Anything I've researched online about the capsules is positive, but I'd be interested in talking to someone who has actually used it. Alldogslover, if you're still around, please reply!