I know since joining that I have spoken alot about how I allowed my dog to be bred and how I was uneducated about the proper testing that needed to be done, etc.
I have already been lectured and I am doing the responsible thing now however I am unsure on what to do with a situation that has presented itself to me.
When I was contacted about allowing Malachi to be studded I was told the mom was registered. I didn't know there was anything but akc lol....
I was totally stupid to the process. Malachi went to their house and stayed on and off for a period of 3 weeks.
I was told that the breeding was a success. All I asked for (again stupid) was pick of the litter.
About 5 weeks later I was contacted and told that Malachi had not gotten the "intended" pregnant but had sired 3 litters with his other dogs. OK now I was at first infuriated because he didn't have my permission to do that. I did learn to accept it.
In August 12 pups were born to the 3 moms. Shortly after I was told that I had to register malachi ckc so that the litter(s) could be registered so I did, even though he was akc....
In Oct another litter was born (a result of having Malachi on their premises for viewing of the parents), and the breeder had kept malachi while I was away in Texas.
7 were born from this litter....beautiful...beautiful puppies...
2 from this litter had pretty drastic overbites but they were sold and had no ill effects from it.
Then I learn this...This mom to the Oct. litter has hypothyroidism and is on 2 different meds for it.
that only 2 of the 4 dogs were ever registered. How did he solve this?
He used the two moms that were registered...split the papers between the 4 litters.
I am ticked off for numerous reasons and one of them is my baby was a part of all this.
I have already contacted some of the people this affected and I have filed a complaint with ckc....my question is: am I taking this too far?
oh and by the way...Malachi was at his home when I found out and I told him that I was going to turn him in...for nearly a week he refused to turn malachi over to me until I got my cousin who is a police officer involved.
Another question: should I contact everyone? Could I be sued for contacting these people and telling them what this person did?
Holy crap. Don't take this the wrong way. I know people make mistakes and that thier is a learning curve for breeders. That said, I have never even heard of such shady business. Literally. Never, and I have known some bad breeders. I don't even know where to start. I would be so Peeved.
First, never let our dog go. The bitch comes to the dog with a neg burslosis (sp) and at least a clear bill of health fromt he vet. 2)Give the bitch owner some pics and a COPY of dad's papers and pedigree. They do NOT need both parents on site.
You really should contact CKC about the dishonest paperwork. But there is the rub, you are then losing the papers on all of the puppies, by doing the right thing.
Really you should have recieved pick puppy from EACH of the litters that your dog produced or you would probably have a very good small claims court case, because they did agree to the pick puppy fee.
Don't ever do business with this person again and never let them have access to your dog!
hi...help..we gave stud service to party w/ signed terms for us to recieve 1st.pic of litter. we have stud. the party decided not to give us the puppy so we're looking into legal action. from wisconsin. do you know how to obtain any public court case's of this type of dispute? any evidence we need for court? the people will not respond-we are beyond upset. the puppy was under contract to be sold to another party. its a mess. j
Did you already sign off on the registration paperwork? What are the people saying about not giving you the puppy? Do you have anything at all in writing, or is it just word of mouth? Go to your county and file with small claims court either way.
HOLY SH*T were you ever taken for a ride. Your first mistake as Ali stated is that you let your dog go to someones home for stud work. You should always be in control of your dog and who he is bred to. At minimum I would want a pedigree and registration information on any bitch that is inquiring about our stud dogs and when she comes she is to have a current and clear brucellosis titer done within 30 days of the mating. This should also be done on your dog and I'd do it NOW since he has been exposed to who knows what! I would NEVER sign papers on those litters since you were deceived in the first place and I'd definately turn this person into whatever registry he is working with. Cut your losses and do the right thing.
This is more to this story now. ONe of the puppy owners im'ed me yesterday stating that she had not received her papers and that she was going to sue the breeder and me too...(mmmm my dog was just the stud)...
I called the breeder to tell him and he told me that he sent them and that I needed to call ckc...hmmm excuse me I didn't receive money for those papers.
I told him I didn't want to get involved and he started to shout at me and threaten me. Also I found out that while he had refused to allow me to pick up my dogs that two of his dogs hooked with Malachi again...against my permission. I told him that I feel that I should be compensated in some way and he told me he'd see me in court that I was getting nothing.
He actually said to me, don't start no S**t and you won't get none. ???????????????????????
Why are you continuing to sign Registration papers for this A**holes puppies? Nobody can sue you for papers either if you are not the breeder of the litter. The breeder of the litter is the Dam owner.
I am not trying to be rude but, you are really not thinking at all! Neuter your dog and this won't happen again and dont' sign any more litter registrations for this rip off artist. He can't prove your dog sired anything!
I am glad you filed on this guy. He really needs a wake up call before screwing with people like that. Really though I hope you take to heart some of the suggestions on this thread. NEVER ever let him go again. Plus have something in writing.
The normal arrangement for boxers is $$ or pick puppy, with NO FEE if they sire under 2 live pups of color (white don't count because they are not supposed to be registered).
Breeders should be required to take a breeders safty course! Your breeding fiasco sounds like a Mac Truck being driven through a crowed parking lot at 100mph!
This is defiantlly learning through the school of hard knocks. No one can sue you but you can sue the owner that breed your stud to his bitches with out consent.You should be compensated for each litter born from your stud. And what in the world were you thinking to sign papers to get everyone in the neighborhood registered with CKC knowing your dog was AKC? Thats why registries are all screwed up now.Stick with your Registry so the standard of the breed will not diminish. Irresponsible acts of negligence.(shame) You better get your stud checked for STD's while your at it.
* But i hope everything works out .I know your upset by the situation and maybe next time things will work out better.
***Edited By: duchess on 2/10/2006 10:05:30 AM*** Reason: add
"If you want to lecture me for anything, lecture me about not researching before I let Malachi be a sire.."
Thats a whole nuther lecture! What I don't understand is this. You let him first of all keep a dog to breed 1 bitch for 3 weeks. I'd say thats overkill. Then after all he did to you by breeding 3 or 4 (can't remember) bitches on his property you let this man keep your dog again and not only that he kept him while you were out of town knowing full well he had already cheated you and used your dog numerous times.
whats that old saying?? "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"
You can always file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. File a complaint any where and everywhere that will listen. Dept of Agriculture-sounds like there is a "kennel" sitution here. Possibly a complaint in the tax district that the pups are born and sold in-- Business Lic. on file???? Don't allow this person to push you around. Don't back down. Keep talking and you will be amazed at who else has been ripped off and abused by this person. RipOffReport.com is another place to go.
You made mistakes but now you are being taken advantage of. Good luck.
P.S. Keep good records-get a log book-phone #'s etc of everyone you talk to, dates, dogs names etc-- this kind of mess can get very complicated.
Wow what a mess is right turn this guy in and don't ever do buisness with him again. I wouldn't of to begin withleft my dogs with him if I stud out any of mine the females come to me I will never let my males go with anyone else.That is the rule around here. File weith however you can and keep records of who and when and all that I am so sorry this happened not once but sounds like 2 or 3 times for me not even once!
Thats what they do with Pitt Bulls over here in sweden.. they own 1 registered American staffordshire they register thier pitts as amstaff and sell them as registered amstaffs. The pitt is illegal to breed on over here. It's scary.