My knowledge of debarking is the vet taking out a small portion of the vocal cords when the dog is under anesthesia. What does everyone think of this?
I personally think in some instances for excessive nusance barkers it is an option that can save a dogs life. If training and bark collars haven't worked. I know a lot of times people in town say they have to get rid of their dog due to excessive barking. They could get fines/ticketed or even lose apartments.
If the family drop the dog off at the pound it may be killed. I would rather it have the surgery personally than lose a permanent family or it's life.
Can it be done to teenagers that smart off too!LOL! No just kidding. But what if you move to where its okay to bark? I'm glad I live out in the country and only have to worry about my dogs barking and worring me. So does the dog have any vocials left or is it deemed totally mute?
I feel it would be dead wrong to do that to a dog regardless if you get fine ,ticketed. or even lose your apartment. so what! you know what it takes to take care of a dog. you know he didnt talk when you brought him or he wasnt going to meow like a cat. ( dogs bark!!!!! )take out your vocal cords.* not you alicat* lol...lol.. just answering the question?
The American Humane Association does not have a policy regarding debarking dogs; however, American Humane strongly discourages pet guardians from having this procedure performed. Debarking surgery does not result in a silent dog. The dog will still attempt to bark and will typically make a hoarse, raspy sound that can be equally annoying. Debarking surgery will also not alleviate the reason for the dog's barking.
There are humane methods for training dogs to bark only when appropriate, and American Humane encourages people to look for obedience trainers or animal behaviorists to discuss training methods to help inhibit barking.
American Humane’s Guide to Humane Dog Training contains pictures and basic information on dog behavior, canine learning style, training methods and equipment, and selecting a trainer.
so its SENSELESS SURGURY TO REMOVE the basic reason we get a companion dog
This is coming from a coonhunter that loves to hear a dog bark..... I've decided it's not right to de-bark just as I dont like the de-clawing thing on cats either. You know a dog will bark and a cat wil scratch so people should think about that before purchasing.
I have the liberty to allow my dogs to bark all day. First boxers are not excessive barkers in general. 2) We can't even see our neighbors...yeah!!!!! So I have a situation that I would never need to have it done.
I am just saying that not everyone can afford to move or pay the fines. There are a lot of tough choices that families have to make. I am just saying rather than having a dog lose it's home or die... I would rather have the surgery.
Some people don't know how to train dogs, and I have seen some dogs, bark through a shock collar. I don't have a problem with it as a last resort.
Now the puppymill proceedure makes me sick and those people should be jailed.
"The puppy mills dont take dogs to the vet the jam a stick down their throat.There is a breed that does not bark its besengi(sp) I wouldnt debark a dog if it came to that I would stick with a cat." Thanks Clarknelly! I touched on that on Scouts post too a few min. ago too. Most millers also use a pipe & a hammer.
It goes without saying, I am tired of hearing my kid or husband talk, laugh, cry, express himself all day so I'll just rip out their vocal cords. I mean really! How insensative & cruel! GRRRRRRR!
***Edited By: rhondakbt on 1/25/2006 3:48:39 PM*** Reason: added
i agree with what duchess said. you have to know what you are getting in to when you are getting any type of animal.
also i dont think that i could stand hearing a dogs pathetic attempt to bark after being debarked. i once had a dog that came from the spca she was abused and when they tried to save her she ended being hung by one of the volunteers trying to save her, because of that she always had the most pathetic raspy bark it was really sad to hear.
i felt i had to reply to this. some may not agree with me and i'm sorry but this is my story. we rescued a yellow lab from the pound. he was reliquished by his first owners stating he was too hard to handle. the shelter warned us of his excessive barking, and we said oh, no big deal dogs bark. OOOHHH MY GOSH did he ever bark. day and night. we had neighbors complain about it, but we wanted to keep him, he was our new family member. we tried hosing him with water, didn't work. we tried the shock collar, didn't seem to effect him so we shaved the hair down a bit on his neck and then we started to see it work. the problem was he just barked right through it. he would bark and his head would jerk and then he would bark again, head jerked again and so on and so on. then we thought we might have to get him debarked and i felt funny about doing this but we didn't want to give up on him either, like his last owners. so we called up the vet and they told us we had 2 options: either perminately debarked or he could be temporarily debarked. meaning they would only clip his cords half way and they would grow back within 2 months. enough time to get a handle on this dog and make him adjust to us and his new home. well we decided to go with the temp. debark and then started vigorously on the training and redirecting the causes of the barking. well needless to say he grew his bark back in only 2 weeks. that's how much barking he did. but we did finally get him under control and he now is the best dog and we would never give him up in a million years. his bark does have a distinct sound now. more deep throated not horse. and when he plays with our puppy he has this funny sounding growl which sounds exactly like a mother bear playing with her cub. anyways, to answer the question, no it's not for everyone, but some people need it as last resort, as we did. some may think it is inhumane but so is giving up on your dog and dropping off at shelter just making the problem that much more ingrained in the dog. this is my experience and you don't have to agree and you have your right to an opinion, but so do i. oh and i have cats and i have one that is almost noisier than my dog...LOL she is very vocal, i swear she is actually trying to talk to us.
I personally would never do it, but my neighbor who breeds borzoi did it to a few of her dogs. I'm kinda glad she did. They love to bark -_-
I have a husky/wolf who howls/ goes woo woo, but doesn't bark. But I would never get him de-woo wooed. Some dogs need to be able to make noise, it's their way of telling you something. Others, however, I could see if they barked at any and everything.
Debarking does not make a dog silent. They can still make an even more annoying, raspy, hoarse bark. pretty much the only thing that changes is the volume, which is slightly lessened. It is a very cruel thing to do to a dog.
I once saw a dog making this incessant, annoying, and raspy sound. The owner told me his dog was debarked. Oooh I was steaming mad. His dog btw was an outdoor dog. Well genius, no wonder he barks often. The dog is so damn bored and lonely. Dogs will bark and cats will scratch. If you can't handle it then get a pet rock.
* Thank you for that sage piece of wisdom Scary. I would think you would have at least suggested those that don't like barking dogs get a cat and visa versa.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 1/27/2006 12:18:20 PM*** Reason: **
Before someone has a cow. I did ask the man what his living situation was. He said he played with the dog when he did yard work. I said that's it? He said yes, he's a guard dog. I asked him what he did when his dog barked? He said he yelled at the dog. Ummm hello the yelling is probably the only attention he got all day so why not bark so I get attention. Some people I tell ya.
Maybe you can handle all the barking--but the neighbors can't. And to keep punishing a dog in order to "train" it to not bark is much more cruel, in my opinion, than debarking. Most dogs can still make enough noise to have their say, and it can keep them out of shelters. A quiet bark is better than PTS.
When I use to be a veterinary assistant I remember a little yorkie came in to be de-barked. When I went to check on him there was so much blood all over his cage. He was coughing up blood everywhere. It was horrible. The vet said this was pretty normal for that procedure. We had to keep checking on him because they can bleed to death before you realize there is something wrong because they will just swallow the blood. Ever since then I have not approved of the surgery. None of the vets around here will do it anymore. Thank god.