I personally don't agree with it. If nothing else can be done to stop a dog from barking, which something should beable to(even if you have to muzzle the poor dog). Then MAYBE. But I would go with muzzling the dog if it had a barking problem. I just could not go to the length of removing it's vocal cords. I know muzzling is also cruel, but if you have to pick between cruel and cruelity............ what would you do?
If you love a dog enough, you would be willing to go to any lenghts to keep him, never to of had the thought of getting rid of him cross your mind.
dogsareme - I'm not sure I understand why you think that muzzling a dog would be less cruel than debarking? At least with debarking they go through the surgery and then they are done with it. The poor dog may spend a good portion of the rest of it's life muzzled if it's a true problem barker.
Like I said before - I think in extreme cases where the owner has exhausted all other options that debarking would be a solution. I don't, however, think it is a solution for lazy owners not willing to train their dog.
I did like the concept of maybe "debarking" really annoying people though... I know a couple that would be candidates...
To those that are against debarking, please tell the of a viable alternative? If there was another surefire way to stop this problem I would be all for it but in many cases there simply isn't. Some dogs are beyond training and will bark simply because they ENJOY it and I hate to think of the number of dogs that are abandoned because of this. If given a choice between debarking or putting a dog down I think I know what I would opt for.
I can undertand that some of you are in the belief that dogs, if given attention, toys and training will not resort to barking incessantly but this doesn't work for all dogs. I have a maremma sheepdog and I have tried all possible ways to try and stop her from barking non-stop but as a last resort I started using a shock collar which I put on her in the morning and remove in the evening. Debarking is not done in my country and so it would have meant having to put her down and I was not prepared to do this without a fight. I have moved to the country about 18 months ago and because I didn't have adequate fencing at the time I had her in the garage along with my other dogs and their bedding and she barked constantly to the point that my neighbour (the one I spoke of that shot his own maremma and dumped her in the compost bin) came to me and complained that he could hear her and I would like to emphasise that he lives about 400 or so metres away!!
I had fencing put up a week after moving here btw and I would have gladly kept her in the house but she would have chewed everything in sight at the time as she was going through the puppy phase.
abbylynne - I never said I would be for muzzling. I'm just saying if I had a choice between cruel and cruelity if nothing else worked. But I know I would find something else that would work before that point. I just don't see why you would want to do unnecessary surgery on a dog. I think the surgery would hurt more then the muzzle. We (as in the human race) do soooo many unnecessary sugerys to do dogs, why would you want to add another ??? It's so unfair. Dogs have no say about whether they want the surgery. They have there ears cropped (for LOOKS!!) , tail docked, Spayed/neutered, dew claws removed (which I can see why that one is needed & the fixing) Why there vocal cords too? How can your dog warn you of things with out vocal cords? A dog would not have to wear a muzzle when the owner was home so he could still bark. But if his vocal cord are out and a fire starts in the middle of the night and he sleeps in another room how is he going to warn you???
Removing it's vocal cord should not even be a choice. Barking is something people should accept and learn to deal with. (not as in put up with it, but stop it)
dogsareme - I have yet to meet a single living being that is able to put up with constant barking, it would drive even the most ardent dog lover to distraction! So just imagine people that do not like dogs.
As much as I love dogs I don't think I could put up with my maremma barking non-stop esp. at night time when I and every other human being wants to catch up on some much needed beauty sleep.
Yes dogs bark but like humans, there has to be a time when our tongues are firmly lodged within our lips, lol.
Cassandra Why would your dog have the need to bark when you are home?????? If your home, they should not be sitting there barking. That is more then controllable. If your dog is doing that, then it's something the owner is doing wrong. If your dog is constantly barking while your gone, that I can understand. Your dog should not be barking it's head off when it's sitting beside you. Because you didn't train your dog to not bark when your there, or when your sleeping, does it deserve to have it's vocal cords taken out??? That is preventable. TRAINING.
Dogsareme - my maremma, Maree, will bark at the drop of a hat, believe me when I say that she doesn't need an excuse. I could be sitting with her beside me and she will go run off and bark at another dog, a bird, you name it.
Obviously, your knowledge on dogs is limited to a fair few because some dogs are waayyy beyond training when it comes to barking. Perhaps Maree likes the sound of her own voice, maybe she is practicing for a role in "the sound of music"; I could go on and on but short of a shock collar, NOTHING and I mean NOTHING works.
lol - Cassandra I am NOT training illiterate........... believe you me. If your dog runs off after things barking, make a loud sound(a sound your dog hates) and yell no. I would not & do not allow my dogs to do such things. And if you can't stop her from barking and are thinking about getting her vocal cords removed buy one of these...................PetSafe Ultrasonic Bark Control System. There range can go anywhere from 10 ft to 50 ft. The human ears cannot hear it and you can place it anywhere in your yard or house.
dogsareme - I am not considering having Maree debarked, besides which it is illegal here. I am using a shock collar which seems to be successful.
The product you have mentioned apparently is only for indoor use and only within a radius of 20'. Apparently it sells for only $30 in the US but a company that sells that product here wants $160 for it; more than 5 times the US price.
I have emailed a US company to see how much they will sell this product for, considering that they would have to ship it. I could use it for indoors I suppose.
A muzzle does not stop a dog from barking. It may stop him from being able to eat and drink though. No one trains a dog to just "sit" while they are not home. There was--some years ago, a case about a barking dog. The dog was so bad one of the neighbors taped it's mouth shut so the neighborhood could have some peace--"while the owner was not home"--the dog dies because he could not pant. Don't know if they found out which neighbor did this. But this is an example of how serious a pet owner should take a problem , barking dog. Putting a muzzle on a barking dog is just another daily indication that you are leaving him alone. And he won't be able to eat, drink, play or chew a bone or toy, increasing his frustration and desire to bark.
Cassandra-- I bought her from a 'large kennel'. I don't know what she would sound like but it would be constant. You see her little head bobbing constantly. She is the only dog there that I know had this done, so it must have been pretty darned bad.
I am home and it doesn't matter. When we had my husband's hunting Chessapeakes, they would bark constantly and they were inside dogs. I would yell at them then didn't care. One had a really fat neck and would bark through the bark collar.
That was 1 of the deciding factors on why we sold them. The other was that I didn't think I could trust them around my kids, and we couldn't have anyone care for our dogs because they would lunge at strangers. So they went.
I had a new beagle my son brought home last night bark and as I type still barking...now ask me if I think its ok to do it.... It's very confusing after reading all the replies but if the dog is perfect in every other way and your not planning on rehoming it than I chage my answer to maybe its ok to debark depending on the situation. Like seeing a declawed cat in a wondeful home or seeing one with claws out on the street for destroying furniture. HHMMM something to consider with the homeless pet population.
for all of you people who are so against debarking a dog and think it is cruel, i want to know have you ever owned a dog who is debarked? I have and it is not cruel. I had a dog who barked non stop, a high pitched, goes on for miles bark. Bark collars did not work and animal control was at my house every month. I had her debarked and let me tell you , it was a 15 min prededure as I recall and my dog came home the same day and was fine. She didn't act any different. She ate and played and was fine. She could still bark but it sounded more like a quiet cough. If she was hurt or in pain I could still tell. She was happy and fine. She didnt act like anything had been done at all. Think about that before you all start preaching at the people who love their dogs and don't want animal control to take them away for barking. Also for the people who want to keep their dogs and not have every neighbor they have to hate them.