I hate to tell you but things like that do happen alot neer me. I have knowen people to set cats on fire just beause they didnt like the cat. I know a guy that goes from town to town collecting cats when he things he has had enough he will tie them together and watch them kil eachother or use them for target pratice or tie fire crackers to them and light them.
I have knowen people to have a dog that has pups they take the pups put them in a bag and through them in the creek. I have found a box of kittens in the creek.
I knew a guy who shot over 30 dogs because he was moving and couldnt take them with him and the pound would only take around 20 (he had over 50)
I dont know if what the first person said happend but I do know alot of people around me do that kind of stuff. Sad thing is no one will do anything about it. I have reported the guy from my first post on here many times with in the last 2 or 3 years and nothing I reported the guy who killed all the dogs and nothing. I reported the guy taking all the cats and nothing. Its sick but it does happen.
I think that a lot (not all) farming people simply think of dogs and cats as any other ANIMAL. Not pets.
I don't agree with people being selfish and killing animals in cruel ways (knocking them in the head), particularly if they could get them a home but didn't because they didn't want to give them a way. That's wrong. But I think it is wrong to dump your pet at a shelter and let them kill it too.
I like horses as well as dogs, no one gives a crap about how they are ABUSED before they are turned in to everyone's precious dog food.
I'm not saying things like this don't happen, I've been in rescue long enough to know the awful truth of what people can do to their animals.
The details of these stories, however, just seem to fit a little too conviently into the point she is trying to make. What, has every repairman she has ever hired owned and killed a Chi in some brutal manner?
***Edited By: dobielover1 on 1/31/2006 11:03:15 AM*** Reason: sp
I really cannot believe you just posted that Cassandra.
No, the majority of farmers are NOT cruel. You say you've only lived in the country for 18 months? Only a year and a half??? Well, I guess by this time you are an expert on rural culture. <insert sarcasm>
Well, I GREW UP in the country and I still refuse to live in any major city. The country has its advantages - cleaner air, less violence, peace and quiet, beautiful landscapes, and the stars can actually be seen at night. Most farmers I know love their animals; even though they raise cattle (and crops) for a living, they cherish their pets. The "good old boys" I know take their dogs in their pick-up truck with them everywhere they go. They also know how to treat a woman with respect, adore their family, and have strong religious values.
I'm not sure what "cruel farmers" you refer to. I'm sure they are out there, as are cruel city slickers. You are DEAD WRONG when you make the idiotic statement that all (or even the majority) or farmers are cruel. You know who is really cruel? YOU! You keep posting this crap that, if you are as smart as you claim to be, you KNOW will just piss people off.
This country girl who has plenty of famers in the family is officially pissed off. Why don't you get a life and posts something intelligent for once, instead of consistently insulting people?
By the way, I do get your point that some people are cruel to animals, and that makes me even madder than being insulted for being "cruel country folk." A way you can become a bit more popular here (if that's possible at this point) is to rephrase things....
Instead of putting the "Country folk" at the beginning of your OP, why not just say "People" can be so cruel, then describe your experiences. Is the "country" part really necessary to get the point across that someone you know is abusing their animal? Does the mere fact that the abuser happens to live in the country make the crime any worse or better? Why add the part that categorizes a group of people and suggests that people of a certain geography are cruel? For all you know these people may have just moved from the city. Interesting thought, eh?
My momma always told me "think before you speak." Or, "if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all." Honey, you should take that advice.
Next time you post, perhaps you could think for five minutes whether the language (or the subject matter itself) you use in the post could possibly offend people. You may just be a troll, doing this as a game; but if you really want to participate and get tired of people getting mad and responding nasty to you, you should think about how you present yourself in your posts. Food for thought...
Wow, that was a long post; I hope I didn't make too many grammatical errors. I do have spell check, but I save that for important writing, like my thesis I am currently working on. Chalk it up to the unexcusable laziness, I suppose.
***Edited By: Cinnaeve on 1/31/2006 11:00:23 AM*** Reason: add
Yaw know how I used to get upset when new mwmbers were picked apart? Well theres always the exception!
I always thought oh Lord, huronbreeze is chimming in, and she's like the lead dog in the sled team to me(meaning nothing bad, a little bossy but defiantlly earned your position!LOL!) but I think shes the only one cabable of setting Cassandra straight so I'm glad you put your opinion in, I ditto it! Thanks!
Around here Most of the farmers are very mean to there dogs and cats.
Im saying farmers as in people who say they are farmers. I dont know what a real farmer is though. My friend says she has a farm (a few pigs some chickens and dogs) and she beat her dog with a chicken.
Her dad a farmer (goats fruit trees dogs horses veggie garden) and hes great with animals he has gone out of his way to help animals.
Another guy I know also a farmer (over 200 cows chickens and cats) will take in strays but if they make him upset at all (bark at a cow chew something laying around) he will shoot them.
then john a farmer (lives out in the middle of no were and has a puppy mill) Is the guy who was in my first post.
To be honest the only "farmer" I know that is nice to animals is my friends dad. But then i dont know what a farmer is and I have no clue If i have ever talked to a real one.
Real farmers are respectable people who earn their living exclusively from farming - raising crops like tobacco, corn, soybeans, cotton, etc. Many of them also raise livestock, either for meat or milk. They manage a huge expanse of land, and have employees, just as other businesses do. Like another poster mentioned, there is a science that goes along with it, including crop hybridization, animal husbandry, and knowledge of crop rotation and proper herbicide use (and all the chemistry that is involved). Many farmers inherit the land from their family, and many do get some degree of college education in order to better run the farm. That said, the majority of true farmers are smart environmentalists that reap benefit from the Earth. They also tend to have alot of common sense (practical knowledge) that is handed down through the generations of farmer men.
I think the people Cassandra is so crudely referring to are the back-woods rednecks that think they are real farmers but really sit on their butts all day drinking and abusing animals. City people also do this; they just don't have alot of land to do it on. Cruel people are located everywhere, in all career paths.
Real farmers are not like this, as they depend on their pets to guard livestock and keep trespassers at bay, and they treat their pets very well. I'm not saying they let them sleep on their pillows or anything, but the farmers I know treat their animals with the utmost respect.
In defense of Cassandra as to some of what she stated is partly true.
Having been born and raised in the Rural part of Iowa, farmers years ago didn't put much value on farm dogs and barn cats. The only Vets available were more for the purpose of tending to livestock. Hunting dogs were considered of value, but didn't receive the pampering our pets receive. They were left out in the elements in a pen only to be let out when needed.
They usually didn't spay and neuter so when there was an over abundance of feral cats and dogs, the farmer would dispose of puppies and kittens in a inhumane manner (by our standards) and with no expense involved.
I think Farmers now are a more kinder and gentler individuals, now. Vets are going more into the field of small animal practice where livestock Vets remain mostly tending livestock.
Even the rural "Hick" farmers of Iowa can't resist having companion animals, now, and practice ethical treatment when having them.
There's definitely something wrong with this child, and we all should forgive ourselves for overlooking her. whenever a child speak of negatively all the time or always wanting to bring up something that is negative it shows low self esteem. or a sad sad child hood. the more i read her thread the more i feel sorry for her she's hurting deep down inside and fighting for love and dont know how to show it I know what I'm talking about I work with abuse kids, behavior kids also.so the more I read her post the more I see anger building up in her . please members when ever you see where she decide to talk about something negative on here please just talk about dogs or something postive. lets help her she's reaching out for help. dont you see it.
PitPat, you may be right about some out there. I only know about farmers in the South East US., and most from my neck of the woods do love their pets. There are always some bad apples in the bunch. I just hate how people categorize farm people as uneducated rednecks!
If you notice she will start a topic beening very negative, after she gets everyone stirr up she wont answer then she will start another topic. with another negative topic . you cant keep answering her unless you start talking about dogs. we must help her.
Ok im gonna have to stick up for Cassandra. First I grew up in the city I had never seen anyone abuse an animal I had never herd anyone brag about killing or hurting an animal.
When I moved here I herd people talking about what they did to the stray cat the found and i saw people Kick there dog Or hit them. I was in total shock. I know that people are just as mean in the city but around me people tend to brag about it and so you hear about it more often.
Also I didnt know what a farmer was. If someone said Im a farmer I would say Oh do you have any pigsand we would talk and I wouldnt know better. I though a farmer was someone who lived in the middle of no were and had farm animals. But then agin how was i to know any better i grew up around sanfransisco. I had never seen a real cow befor I never though about what a farmer was or asked
Im still going to say people around me (Missouri around springfield) abuse and kill more animals then alot of other places. I have never herd of mass animal killings befor this year. I never knew if you tied 2 cats together and hung them over something they will kill eachother untill I moved here. The only people I know that have never killed an animal for fun are me my husband and my little girls. Its wrong and they know what I think about it. The cops probly have a book of names of people who have done things like that that i have reported but nothing has been done about it.
Im not saying every person that lives in the country is bad but everyone around me has done things that make me cry just thinking about it. They go out of there way to kill wild animals too. I saw a man get out of his car just to beat a snake to death. I will never get the sound out of my ears he picked it up and beat it on the road. My husband will never get the sound of me yelling at him for not running the guys car into the ditch eather and he will never forget that i called him a redneck hillbilly with nothing between his legs because he didnt do it. the guy is lucky I was not driving I was so mad I probly would have ran him over.
I knwo there are alot of great people who live in the country but I knwo alot of people who need to be beat that live in the country too.
I probly just live in a not so nice part of missouri but every time i think about were i live now and were I grew up im in total shock because of the diffrence between the way they treat animals
I live in the country. I can say with confidence that not all country people are cruel to animals. We treat dogs and cats very well. Although, the week I moved here someone shot my neighbor's dog. I can attest that some country people do not consider dogs and cats as pets or part of the family.
Cassandra, don't you read the newspaper? Many city people abuse their animals too. Living in the city doesn't make anyone a good person. Watch animal cops, it's filmed in Detroit (big city).
I think the problem is with uneducated people. People who have never been taught to respect animals. You will find these people everywhere, country or city.
Im not bragging. Im not happy about what goes on I dont like it here. I tell everyone what does go on though. I figure maby someone around here that does care about animals will see it and report it. If enough people say something they have to do something about it right?
Once i sent out a email through the bestfriends net work trying to get someone to help me shut down a puppy mill. Ive been trying to shut that damn thing down for a few years (2 maby 3) so i though Id get some help. Yah no one helped but it was worth a try. Now i have to go down there and take some pictures of the palce to send in. they said if i could get some good pictures they could ahve it shut down. Im scared to go back up there and take pictures though the guy is the uncle to one of my friends and good friends with my brother in law If anyone found out it was me Id get it from all over the place.
I have never kept my mouth shut about anything I didnt like. It has gotten me in a ton of trouble befor but its all worth it if there is a chance that something will be done