Last spring I purchased a puppy from down south. Nice breeder, I really don't blame her. Excellent looking puppy, great bloodlines. But....
I have been battling generalized demodectic mange since July and we are losing BAD. She doesn't seem like she is in any pain or itching, but the hair on at least half of her body is bare. No secondary skin or eye infections now, but there were in the summer. Every time I think it is getting under control, she backslides. Been to both my vets they recommended Ivermectin and the dip. She has also been on anti-biotics continually to boost her immunity.
She gets Ivermectin daily at least 4-8 weeks, then I think I better give her body a rest, so I take off a few weeks. Daily antibiotics, and then the dip. The dip is so strong that it makes both of us sick for a day, I have to go lay down afterwards it makes me dizzy.
I have been trying to get her better enough to place in a pet home, but she has never cleared up enough for me to do that. I can't pass her on as she is, no way. If this is how she is in the winter, what is going to happen in the heat again?
I just keep looking at her every day hoping she gets better. Is there ANY THING ELSE? Please tell me. Honestly, I don't think it is fair to her to have her like this. I am also really embarrassed to have her seen outside by passersby. I am doing my best but she definately looks like there is something seriously wrong with her.
Basically the last few weeks I have been thinking of having her put down. Though she doesn't seem to be in 'pain', she can't be comfortable either. I just think her quality of life must be terrible, but the fact that she isn't in 'pain' and that she is so young makes it an even more difficult choice.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 2/1/2006 8:38:16 AM*** Reason: ad
I rescued a chow puppy that went through the same mess for 5months. She never completely healed and it was costing so much time and money to keep her comfortable that we finally decided the best choice was to put her to sleep. I knew no one else would put that much effort into keeping her healthy so I did what I felt was humane. It still strikes a nerve when I see people suffering thorugh mange problems because i know how disheartened I became fighting a losing battle. And she was such a wonderful dog other than that.
Ohhh Duchess not what I want to hear. I thought it would be 'no big deal' because I had another puppy that had the localized (two quarter sized patches) that went away on their own. This is a whole different ball game. I thought with the treatment and all the toxins I am putting in her it would be killing everything and anything. That can't be good for her either.
It's really not about the money I get wormer and antibiotics on-line cheap enough where IF IT WORKED I could keep her on it forever and no big deal. The problem is I don't think its working at all, or just barely.
I just don't want Animal Control knocking on my door either. She looks like !#%%$! But if you look beyond the baldness---crazy to say I know--- she is actually in good shape. Nice weight, clean, nails trimmed. I mean I could give them my vet records and show them the meds. Still, who wants problems knocking on their door.
I am calling AKC too, to ask what I should do. I had 7 litters for the first time last year and I may very well get inspected this year. Which is fine...except for her!!! She is my only dog that looks terrible. Would the AKC inspector look at the rest of my dogs that are in excellent shape and say 'okay this one has a problem that you are treating'. Or would the inspector give me a hard time about all my dogs because that one looks so bad?
***Edited By: alicat1 on 2/1/2006 9:32:27 AM*** Reason: sp
Oh Ali, if its generalized there may not be any hope. Some dogs with generalized do eventually get 'better' but they can relapse at any time, and they need constant care. I know there's people out there who have kept dogs like this going for quite a while, they do it by treating not just the mange but by boosting the immune system, because Demo is a immune system problem, and the over growth of the mites is a symptom. There are a number of different regimens you can do to boost her immune system, do a search, there's a lot of info out there. I don't want to give you false hope though, if she's really that bad I myself would probably let her go. I'm sorry.
The last collie pup rescue that I just took in has the same. Because collies cannot have Ivermectin he is on Interceptor and mitaban dips. He has had two dips so far and although he has a few bald spots his eyes have cleared completely and I dont see any new spots. Good luck
well if your doing all that you can for the dear and the rest of your dogs are fine then I dont see how anyone could hold that against you. I shared my story but dont get discouraged if you have the heart to keep her and accept that this condition maybe reoccuring, so you are prepared.
I just didnt have it in me to continuely have to fight her condition and I didnt want to adopt her out to anyone, with the possibilty that they would not provide the necessary treatments. Not a easy decision.
The AKC inspector will understand. Most of them have been involved in dogs either showing or breeding. The AKC inspection process is nothing to worry about either. Make sure all your dogs are microchipped, Also make sure you have a folder for each dog and you have the individual dog record filled out for each one. Thats basically all they look for other than kennel or care conditions.
I know this will sound bizzare to you, but if you bathe(soak) your dog in used motor oil, that will kill demodectic mange. It is an old treatment and about 20 years ago, I bought an Afghan Hound from a breeder in Pa. When I got her, she looked fine, shortly after she looked like hell. We tried everything, dips sprays pills I MEAN EVERYTHING. My vet told us than to try the motor oil. It must be used motor oil. You have to soak the dog thoroughly. You can get a cup and pour it on, just make sure the dog is saturated. Leave it on half hour or so, than wash him up. You may have to do it a couple of times. I'm telling you it will work. I hope I do not get attacked for my recomendation. I know it don't sound real nice, but.....
Thanks everyone. Holy crap, oil dip? I don't know how or where I would get it, but really I am pretty darned deparate. It can't be any worse than that dip, that makes me sick. How do you get the oil off again?
Ali never ever use oil. It can be deadly. What type of dip are you using? I know some great stuff that works great. And you buy one bottle and it will last forever. Also you need to put her on a dog food with no corn, wheat, or soy. I took in a rescue 2 years ago that was covered head to toe with no hair. I put her on Fish Oil capsules and fed her Premium Edge healthy skin and coat food. I increased her Ivermectin every three days and I gave it too her 2x a day. Are you using Mitaban dip?
kitkat, pardon me but are you and your vet stupid? No really...?
This is a public forum. You are putting peoples pets lives at stake with the stupidity you just typed.
If you vet recommended that, (which I highly doubt because of the fact that vets get animals coming in all the time that are sickly or dying because of the crap) well then he should be shot too.
Use your brain man.
PLEASE, DO NOT BATHE YOUR MANGEY DOG IN MOTOR OIL.
Ali, sorry for all that you and your pup are going through. If you honestly feel there is no hope and the pup is constantly suffering don't feel quilty, you would be doing the right thing to end it's suffering. Unfortunately that is one tough choice that only you can make.
Is the active ingredient in mitaban Amitraz? Because that's what I am using. I can't say that I got it from the vet (though one could say maybe I did) because they no longer make this stuff.
Only for completely severe cases. Rumer has it the stuff I have was made in the bathtub of a pharmacutical worker that knew dogs still needed it. This stuff is no joke, but it still doesn't work. Maybe it is diet too. I can try switching her or even get an allergy test done which would be more accurate.
As far as the oil dip it does sound risky, but people used remedies before there were todays treatments. Mites have been around since there were dogs. Did those dogs just die, and people didn't bother to treat them? Or were they doing stuff like oil, that maybe worked?
Hey, I don't know if anyone has ever tried it, but what about mineral oil? They say that you can put on mineral oil and a shower cap as a holistic way to get rid of head lice. And it is recommended to treat earmites by smothering them. Just throwing things out there.
As a matter of fact my Dad had told me to mix used motor oil with sulfer ( powder you buy from farm supply) and scrub the dog with it and I looked at him like he was nuts! Dump a beautiful creme colored chow in that..Yuck. . But like all other remedys, It's only a temporary solution.
Ali it is a dip you buy from Revival Pet. It is called Taktic. It is the same ingredients as Mitaban. My neighbor had a great dane with mange years ago and yes she used the used motor oil and the dog died so I wouldn't suggest that at all.
How much ivermectin are you giving? And what type of Ivermectin? Also you can use Program in high doses it has been shown to help with mange as well. With it being generlized she may have recurances every time she goes into heat. Also she probably have an underlying staph infection along with it. What type of Antibotics is she taking and are you giving large amounts of that as well?
The Ivermectin I have is the 1% injectible solution diluted with proplyne glycol, and based 1cc/ 10 pounds. I give every one this monthly for worms and heartworm prevention. I am giving her 1/4 the amount daily. I didn't think I wanted to give her a months worth every day. Rather than PTS I guess I should maybe increase that too? She is currently on cephillexin again but has been on nearly every antibiotic possible. Clavamox, amoxicillin, I want to say batril. Since month two I have been trying to kill the mites and boost her immune system. I really don't know which I am having the problems with really.
Scout-- been to the vet about every other month since July. Just a really bad case.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 2/2/2006 9:11:07 AM*** Reason: ad
Do not put motor oil on the dog!!! That is an old treatment, and a dangerous one, the problem is with the immune system, and the mites must be controlled until the dog rebuilds its immune system. Putting motor oil on a dog can lead to kidney and liver damage, can cause cataracts also I believe. Try to boost her immune system and reduce the stress on her
Ivermectin or Milbemycin Treatment: Some dogs are very sensitive to amitraz and others do not respond even after many months of therapy. For these dogs, veterinary dermatologists often turn to extra-label use of oral parasiticides that can be used for generalized demodicosis. Ivermectin is available as a cattle worming agent (Ivomec® and generics) and milbemycin is available as a heartworm preventive pill (Interceptor®) for dogs. At very high daily dosages, these can be used to treat generalized demodicosis successfully in a majority of cases.
***Edited By: scout1 on 2/2/2006 9:29:53 AM*** Reason: x
Ok your not giving enough Ivermectin to kill the mites. My dog who weighed 25lbs by the 7th day was getting .8cc's of pure ivermectin a day. .4cc's in the morning and .4cc's at night. I did that for 3 weeks with no dipping at all. Then I took her off of the ivermectin and dipped her once a week for 2 weeks. I then started to see hair growth. During all of this I also fed her the food I mentioned as well as quite a few vitamins daily.
Zinc and Vitamin A are key to immune system health. They play a role in the production of IgA, an antibody that coats allergens in the intestinal tract, preventing their absorption in the blood supply and forcing their elimination from the body. Zinc is hard to find. I had to get it from GNC health store. I used Zinc and Vit A daily for months.
A very powerful antioxidant Vitamin E protects the body from free radicals. It alleviates respiratory problems and boosts your immune system's ability to fight off infectious diseases. I used it daily as well.
And last is Echnichea and I give that daily as well to build the immune system and fight off infection.
She was also on Antibotics the entire time.
***Edited By: cschimizzi on 2/2/2006 9:44:47 AM*** Reason: add