That is a good idea Kaiya but although it answers one question, I still do not know how I would keep him and Chi-Ching seperated. I cannot keep Chingers penned up all the time. Grrrr, why does this have to be so hard??
Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. If it is in Koda's best interest (health reasons) to stay outside then I would suggest that you leave him there but don't allow him to come inside at all as he would then feel out of place once he's outside. Dogs will adjust and if he is outside all the time then he will take that for granted. That reminds me, what about the summer? how does he cope in the summer heat?
I'm not sure that rehoming Koda would be such a good idea given that he has problems with overheating, unless you can be sure that the other people are prepared to do the right thing by him. I am not clear on this issue, how does Koda react when he's with Chi?
***Edited By: Cassandra on 2/1/2006 6:46:36 PM*** Reason: added
I dont seem to understand why you want to get rid of either dog, espeically the one who is older?, you have had him for quite some time now. Is that right?
Why do you think it is that they don't get along? what is it that they do to make you think so?
I can't get into what the reasons are behind it, but it seems you are set on rehoming Koda. If he does get so bothered by being inside, for preasthma(is that what is was)...? Perhaps it's do to anxiety of being inside. Have you tried tranquilizers(valium) or maybe doggie prozac..
I once had 4 dogs, a bichon frise , poodle, german shep mix, and a pyr in a 1 bedroom apt, and I was able to keep them separated, untill I was able to work with all of them so they could lead a happy existance, all the while being a single mom and working.They were able to live and play together just fine, 3 males and 1 female.
I say this to give you some inspiration into working with your dogs..
When you took Koda to the behaviorist and he/she stated they believe Koda needed attention, did you have Ching at that time? if not why did you get another dog?
You said that you could not rehome Ching because you know he WILL bite someone. But weren't you all in a lather when you had him temperament tested and the evaluator said Ching shouldn't be around children?? Is his temperament unstable or not?
I guess I also don't understand why on earth you would have brought another dog into the house AT ALL knowing the situation with Koda. If you weren't planning to have Ching as an outside dog as well, why put Koda through that in the first place?
I agree that Ching should be rehomed, if you decide that you can't keep them both. As a puppy, without Koda's medical issue, he's bound to be a lot easier to rehome, AND you knew the issues you had with Koda in the first place. I just think Koda's needs should have been considered first, and he shouldn't have to suffer because you made a poor decision.
katz. i dont want to get you upset with me because i was the first one in this thread to suggest that if you need to rehome one, that it be chingy
". if you really need to rehome , i think it should be chingy. you have had koda far longer without any problems until you brought chingy into the picture."
i just really believe that since he WAS there first, it is not fair that he should go rather than your puppy. you talked many times about what a great dog koda was and now since you have chingy, he seems to have developed all these problems. if he was fine before chingy he will be fine again after chingy is rehomed. you will have much better luck finding a home for the puppy. and also if chingy is already showing signs of aggression, what will you do when he decides to take a nip out of one of your girls or a neighbor kid ? i would be more worried about that than any problems that koda may be having now. chingy may be better in a home where he is an only dog and there are no children in the picture.
***Edited By: dusty082155 on 2/1/2006 7:11:23 PM*** Reason: spell
Why not at least try Icy's idea about the many in/out trips? You could use whatever method you use now to keep the dogs apart. A royal pain? You bet. But no more so than trying to find a good home for an adult mutt with a weird health problem. And I know you would insist he go to a good home, not just any home. Realistically, finding that good home for him will be one exhausting task.
Well, both dogs have serious issues, and it sounds like your hubby is getting really tired of dealing with them, I don't blame him. Koda is outside barking and ripping up the house, and Chinger has temperament issues and the dogs can't be together very much because they don't get along. I believe that you said that your house is fairly small, close quarters can intensify conflict as you feel that you have no escape. He has decided that Koda should go probably because of the house damage and I agree with that. On the other hand Chingers is the second younger dog and Koda should have seniority. As Chingers has aggression problems and Koda has issues they will both be difficult to place. Your in a real pickle, ultimately the decision is yours but since your married you do have to take hubbys feelings into consideration.
Solution #1 rehome Chingers, buy a large kennel to put Koda in to keep him from damaging the house. Get him puppy prozac and a bark collar.
Solution # 2 rehome Koda, keep Chingers and continue to work on his agression issues, with the the knowledge that you may never be able to really change him. Do you plan to have kids? Something to think about, what if you choose him and then in 5 years have to rethink because he won't accept your child. At that point your only choice may be putting him to sleep.
Either dog may not rehomable, and we all know what that means. I can't tell you what to do, but I can tell you what I would do. I would let the agressive dog go, Koda is not people agressive, his behavior was created by the presence of a second dog, so that would be my personal choice.
oops, sorry reread and you do have kids, I would not keep an aggressive dog
***Edited By: HenchWench on 2/1/2006 7:29:03 PM*** Reason: add
I don't honestly think Koda will find a great deal of happiness going to live outside at a strangers house. He's old, he's ill, and he doesn't deserve to be bounced again because he has become inconvienient to care for. He deserves to stay at his HOME wether the situation is perfect or not.
Perhaps Chingy can be returned to his breeder. I am sure that they should be able to find him a Chow savy home, preferably with no children or other pets.
Why does this have to be so hard, you ask? Because responsible dog ownership IS hard, something I'm sure you realize after all your work with dog rescue. Are you selfish for wanting to keep Koda? Absolutely not. He is YOUR dog that YOU chose to accept responsibility for, no matter the consequences, as you have pointed out on numerous occasions. So rise to the occasion, Katz, and make a permanent commitment to Koda.
I would say that if you have all these problems with Koda, how then can you rehome him? Won't the other owners be less interested in helping him than you would be. I think there must be a way you could work out something. He loves you and is happy. I couldn't give him away after this long of time and with the problems he has. Remember, other people are not as nice as you.
I am sure you don't want to hear this but haven't you rehomed several animals in the past because they just didn't work out?? Then why would you continue to get more animals to throw into the mix of things? I know you think Chingers is SOOO cute and such, but you had Koda first and no, he might not be as cute, but still, you have an obligation to him since he was there first. I would rehome Ching with someone that will work on his problems. I know that Chows can be temperamental, but they can also be some of the most loving dogs if worked with correctly. Just by the sounds of your posts since you got Chingers, it really does sound as if Koda has lost his dominance within the family. (If that makes any sense.) Chingers is cute and gets alot more of the attention. It also shows with the pics posted. Most of them have been of Chingers and very few of Koda (unless I have missed something.)
If my hubby left it up to me i'd keep him, unless I know for sure hes going to some where that can LOVE and CARE for him like I would. Because if he's annoying your life style and you've had him for a long time, imagine how he'll make someone else feel.
My duchess digs ground moles up and the yard will look like a tiller ran through it, if I left her out all the time. We got her a 10X10 chainlink kennel with cement on the bottom and keep her locked up outside when we're not home. She only does things like that when we're not home. But i would rather put her in her pen than to get rid of her. We're all she knows! And she actully loves her pen and goes in it to relax after playing football w/ the boys!lol! And we spend ALLOT of time with our hunting dogs(her excluded) and she dont seem to mind, she knows we're all a family and shes happy to be the yard dog not getting toted to competition and night hunts. Atleast she seems okay with it to me!GFETE!
PS unless your starting to resent Koda and feel ill toward him for being a nuisance.
***Edited By: duchess on 2/1/2006 10:20:17 PM*** Reason: add
You can get a doggie door. Replace the whole door with a new one that you have installed the doggie door into. If you move, you put the old door back on and take the one with the doggie door with you.
I agree that the puppy should go if it has to be one of them. But I would try to make it work. You don't know how things will pan out once chingers is older and Koda has had more time to adjust to the changes. It's too soon to make a decision.
As far as the aggression in chingers, I would definately have an eye on that, especially with my children.
Katz wrote.....*He has destroyed all the windows in the fenced in area. He has also destroyed alot of the siding on the back of the house by jumping on it. He WANTS in so bad, but once he is in, he just can't stand it. Then he begs to go out, so I let him out. And then almost instantly he wants in. This would happen ALL DAY if I let it. *
The owners of your house would rather have it destroyed then letting you install a doggie door? They don't sound to bright!