"Hey scout, pyrmom can ban me all she wants. I could care less. I didn't violate any rules but go ahead ban me anyway. LOL It's no big deal to me. I think it's hilarious how she bans me just because it's me. Although she has said time and time again "you can come back as long as you follow the rules and she has said she doesn't ban people without approval of ALL mods." What a joke. LOL If I really cared about being banned by prymom, don't you think I would have disguised my ip? LOL If I have a question ..I'll come back. She'll just have to get over it."
so you ARE scarydog ? just how many "other" people were you before that? hopefully you are not back to cause more problems. i noticed that you return to add to the controvercial posts. i know you were up my butt 24-7 as scarydog. THATS not happening again !
Every topic around here lately is controversial. I answer whatever post I want and you do too. I don't see you ducking any controversial topics. If we disagree then so be it. I do not form my opinions based on your reactions. If I have a different opinion than yours it's because I have my reasons and none have anything to do with you or anyone else. I never followed you around. We are on the same forum, therefore, we see the same topics. If I see a topic that interests me then I answer. We don't see eye to eye but so what. Just because I think differently or feel differently from you about certain issues doesn't mean I set out to attack you. We all have different views. Sometimes I agree with you. Frankly, I don't have a problem with you. I think you are a good person. You have had Harley for 10 yrs now. I am very happy about that...it's actually comforting. I read so many posts around here from people who keep getting new pets and I am doubtful about the strength of their commitment. I read about you taking in strays....I don't think you are a bad person and I don't hate you. Although, I get a little sad when you refer to your frenchies as your babies but you don't include Harley ;-(
gotcha dusty! I thought Harley was yours. I never once thought you mistreated him. I know you are not the type. I just thought you favored the frenchies more...boo hoo. My GSD is attached to me. He and I are bonded forever. Even though he sheds more than usual and is kinda stinky due to skin issues, I love him very much and will never part with him. He is getting 110% better due to his fish diet (thanks Icy). Hopefully, the excessive shedding and stench are behind him. My husband and I got him as "our" dog but he is a mama's boy. We got a girl for my husband and good thing they bonded or we would have 3. Right now, I am having trouble sleeping because we may have to move to a new city. We own our home now but when we move we might have to rent since the new city is very expensive. I don't know who will rent to us. All I know is I am not letting my dogs go.
Scary--you don't want a pup because they "are too much work". But you want to criticize those who would place an older dog--breeder or frustrated pet owner. So where would your new adult dog come from if those options are not available? Don't say shelter, because in your scenerio, no one would be giving up a dog. And the things you mentioned about training pups--a thing that is too hard for you to deal with--what happens in old age if your dogs are incontinent and need special care? Will they become too much work then? Will you become one of those frustrated owners who gets rid of a dog becauce thay are now too much trouble? And, as a breeder, I do have several old dogs who will never leave, It may mean my breeding program will take longer, but they are happiest with us.
I would like to add that if I had to adopt a puppy because all the shelters are empty then I would. I would deal with it. It's not the end of the world. I would actually be celebrating. No more dogs in the pound...woo hoo!
I am sorry Icy for opening this can O' worms!! lol...
We are not focused in on how much MONEY we will make. If I WERE, I woulda gave up my Lilo right away like a hot potato and got another bitch to breed. And I am not sure I will.
And lemme tell you, Bull terriers are not cheap. Stud fee is 1000.00 alone.
So, I can pay that, breed a female and have puppies.
We could have 10 or none could survive.
We are talking big money for litters that survive.
But what if they DONT? what if the female has problems delivering? Vet bills, possilby during emergency hrs and care of her, surgery, and maybe ICU for the pups.
More money out of my pocket.
What about when the pups are ready to go and we find out later that a pup developed a genetic problem? I honor my contract and take out of my wallet to make it right.
It is about ethics and integrity. It is about bettering the breed.
It is not about the money for me. If it was, I would be breeding my dog with a wry mouth, not caring what I cranked out.
I love the breed. There IS no other breed for me. But now I am faced with hard decisions and there is no right or wrong for anyone else other than me and my husband. WE have to figure it out and I was asking how OTHER breeders handled this cause I am NOT a breeder.
Who knows? I may never be. But we will be at peace with whatever decision we make!
Trauma, I don't think you are unethical. It seems to me like you really love your dogs. The "no one left behind" statement really hit me. What a sad decision you have to face. You want to be a breeder but don't feel like you can handle more dogs and you can't let go of Lilo. It's very sad. I actually understand why breeders have to let some of their females go. If they keep every female after retirement, they will have a house full. However, I don't understand why people think it's ok for a breeder to rehome a 6 yr old dog but a pet owner can't rehome a 6 yr old dog. I am not saying you are wrong. I am not saying Joe Whatever is wrong. Aren't 6 yr old retire dogs attached to their owners too? I keep hearing people say "don't rehome your dog. It's irresponsible because he is bonded to you." and the same people will tell a breeder "rehome your dog." What about that dog? What about their feelings? I hope you see what I mean.
I never have a problem finding a nice family for the dogs I am less attached to. Some will never leave, others will. I think every dog deserves to retire to lay on someones bed and be special. I don't have that many beds.
When a poster is banned and decides, after a time to return and post, following the rules, that's fine. You, on the other hand are a dead give away Scary because you always manage to end up reverting to type and being offensive. You simply can't help yourself. You can maintain it for about 10 posts, then you revert to type. You just don't "get it".
You are rude, offensive and manage to allow yourself to be swayed with whomever you feel can tick off the most posters in the shortest amount of time.
While I find you creativity and persistance amusing, I am tired of this game. I am now requesting that your IP be forevermore banned.
Oh and FYI, I am not the first, nor the only Mod who has banned you for unacceptable "behavior" on the forum. I believe that EACH of us has done so with at least one of your aliases.
Don't make this about a personal vendetta that I have against you.
You have broken the rules in this thread simply by showing disrespect for a moderator, which is something none of us ever strictly enforce, but I am making an exception in your case.
Perhaps it's time you simply chose another forum with which to share your MPD?
If I recall, at the time you shared how to access Scout (or any OTHER member's) personal information, you are an unemployed programmer? I am sure that you can set up a proxy for your IP. I'm eqaully certain that reporting you for abuse to your hosting company would not be something you'd want to have done?
No problems Trama, this is a situation hta tneeds to be explained.
One of the main points I am trying to get out is that we are not talking about emotional decsiions, we are talking about rational decisions based off of a probible future. This is not always fun but I do feel it is the correct thing to do.
It has NOTHING to do with bonding with the dog and everything to do with making the right decision. However, as my views have changed and I've had to deal with situations, and I'm also fortunate enough that I have many other breeders that come to me with thoughts onw hat to do ebcause they respect that I try to have a clean view (takes breath from run on sentence), I've learned that you have to change your viewpoint.
What I can not explain, and what I learned last year when I placed my first pups, was that sending a dog to a good home feels fantastic. I cried when my pups left, I called my co-breeder and BAWLED into the phone when they left, yet when their owners called me the next day, and the next week, and sent me emails, that pain eased. These dogs where in enviorments equal to my own home because that is the only type of home I choose for them.
Lets stop looking at "breeders" and look at yourselves. For the most part, each of you here considers yourself a fantastic home, a fantastic owner, full of love and accpetance for your dogs, am I correct?
So if I find you, or you are searching for your next dog and you find me, and I see all of those shining qualities and I place my four year old championed bitch after she had her litter because she does not get along with another bitch or maybe a male or even my boyfriend, with you and I know I made the correct decision on person and dog, am I still so bad?
It is not about bonding, its about a rational decision. One of my pups is living with me right now and will go back to her owner in a few weeks. I went to pick her up and she was like "I know you!" and threw herself on me. I have not had her since she was nine weeks of age. So was I bad for sending her off becuase I had to revive this one and I was bonded to her more then others in the litter.
This is not cut and dry people and breeders are not heartless for making these decisions.
"While I find you creativity and persistance amusing, I am tired of this game. I am now requesting that your IP be forevermore banned. "
well at least now i can stop planning the awards ceremony lol ...
"Oh and FYI, I am not the first, nor the only Mod who has banned you for unacceptable "behavior" on the forum. I believe that EACH of us has done so with at least one of your aliases."
how very true ...... sorry pyr . it never occured to me til someone else pointed it out that what i said made it sound like you were the only one who has ever banned scary. i need to re read some things before i post because it is apparent that at times my thoughts dont get translated very well onto paper.
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