My fiance and I are looking to purchase an English Bulldog. We found an ad on this website for anEnglish Bulldog for what seems like a relatively cheap price of around $1295.00. Shipping is an additional 250.00. They also said I could purchase an additional package for 500.00 which included a 1 year genetic health guarantee and full breeding rights. The breeder says the pups are registered with the CKC. However, I also asked for some refrences and the breeder said because of privacy concerns they prefered not to provide them. However, I could see pictures of all the past puppies they have "sold" on the website. They are requesting payment through paypal and they are a verified premier member. I am not worried about getting a dog but rather the quality and purness of the k9. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Why not just look around in your area? Nothing for nothing but there are too many people who get scammed all the time and I would personally not invest in so much money sight unseen. I would steer clear IMO but thats just me.
I don't know if this is a scam or not but when buying a Bulldog . . . I highly recommend buying one that you can go look at and see the parents. The English Bulldog is just known for having so many health problems that it's not a bad idea to be able to recontact the breeder in case you have any problems.
Maybe not a scam in the full sense of the word, but I would be highly suspicious of anyone who wouldn't provide references, someone must like them enough to vouch for them. Also I wouldn't dream of charging my clients extra for a health guarantee. And NEVER buy a puppy unless it's either AKC or UKC registered, My Dobes are double registered with these registries. CKC is a waste of my time and it's a worthless registry. Too Too many good English Bullies to waste time with this breeder. Keep looking!
Um, With the exception of the Canadian Kennel Club....Which NO ONE thought to ask. However, no matter if the dog was AKC/UKC and grand lines. No references means something is wrong. ALSO, this person should just raise his price and guarantee all his dogs.
ALSO, a dog is worth whatever someone will pay for it. Registry can mean crap to the right person. But yet there are MANY people who will spend literally THOUSANDS of dollars on a dog that cannot even be registered. That does not make their dog worth any less to them.
AKC/UKC is just a scam in my eyes. Pedigrees can be held by anyone who takes the time to keep records. There is NO REASON why a dog who is registered with AKC/UKC should be considered "worth more". That is just a stupid mentality.
This is just me, but, I would not buy a dog off the internet for nothing. So many people have been scammed. I would not trust it at all. I would do like someone else suggested to you, look around in your area. Even drive if you have to, to go pick it up and see where it comes from, mom and dad, and conditions it lived in. I would just as soon throw my money down a rat hole than buy off the internet. Thats just about what would happen too. Be careful.
At the very least would ask her for a refrence from her vet. They will be honest if her dogs have hip,eye or skin problems.And i can see paying 500.00 for breeding rights but not a health guarantee that part sounds shady.
I agree with sandiesbabies. I wouldn't but a puppy from the internet unless I could go see the puppies, mother, kennels etc first and I certainly wouldn't pay for the puppy before it's shipped especially that amount of money. The scams out there seem to mostly come from Cameroon, I've been doing alot of work on these lately trying to make it harder for these people to operate. Unfortunatly it won't stop but if only websites didn't allow people to post 'wanted' adds! That way the scammers would have little or no contact with people wanting puppies. Personally I think these 'wanted' adds are a pretty lazy way of finding a puppy anyway. Surely if someone really wanted a puppy they wouldn't mind going looking for one. Just my opinion. sallyann
He said he wants quality and pureness. Can't get that with contkc. All the lines can be full of dogs picked off the street and registered so these are not the dogs for this person regardless of what someone else would pay. reputable breeder were you can se the pups and call refrences is the only way to go.
***Edited By: joce on 2/3/2006 3:43:12 PM*** Reason: d
I won't touch the registry thing, as it seems to be covered here.
About the guarantee. I am not sure where you are located or where the breeder is located, but like Icy has said in other posts here, a contract and guarantee are only good if they are at least the minimum of the law. So, for instance, if the state you're purchasing from has a lemon law that says that a breeder is responisble for one year for congenial or hereditary defects, then it is a scam, as you should not have to pay more for that.
Breeding rights is a different story.
And about the referrences, I dont' buy that one bit!!! I ask all of my owners when we are working together if they mind if I use them for a referrence-I ask first-then will give out their information with their approval. But, they can be misleading too. So I also have a seperate list, with my vet, fellow handlers, breeders, etc that give referrences. I feel with any type of business you should be able to provide a referrence. ANyone can put up someone else's photos and claim they are previous puppies.
I do advertise on the internet (not a pick, click and pay with paypal deal)-as it is a good tool-just like a magazine. Anyone can sure come visit and pick up their puppies, meet all of our dogs etc. I would ask them if you would drive to pick up your puppy if they would extend an invitation to meet your dogs, see the kennel or area, etc. If they give you all sorts of excuses-even though it may be too far away to drive anyway-then I wouldn't give them the time of day. Good luck
***Edited By: myshadow on 2/3/2006 7:01:20 PM*** Reason: add
I totally agree that you should not purchase a bulldog without seeing the dog and the parents. I also breed, and the first thing I offer people who are interested is a list of references. Any reputable breeder should not hesitate to offer that to you. Bulldogs are not cheap. If it sounds too cheap, than it probably isn't a good idea.