I spoke to a breeder today and we were talking about heartworm preventive and wormers for dogs. She currently uses Ivermectin labeled for horses and some kind of wormer labeled for horses as well for other parasites for her dogs. This blew me away because I didn't think that is something that should be done. She stated that she has lots of dogs and they have always been given these wormers and she has never had a problem and they she has never had a dog with heartworms. Of course I had to ask how does she know if they have them or not if she doesnt take them to the vet to get them tested? She said if they had heartworm and she gave them the Ivermectin then it would kill them. Anyway I just wanted to share and see if any of you all have ever heard of this. I have my dogs tested every year and they get the Proheart injections. Thanks
Chili, that was my response to her as well. She said she decreses the dose by the lb of the dog. But I told her that I still don't think it is very safe to do. She said to each is own but that is what she has always done. The other wormer she uses is something call Strongid-D or something like that.
Ivermectin is the same active ingredient that is used in the Heartguard heartworm preventative. And I do know quite a few people who give their dogs ivermectin bought from a farm supply store, as it is the most commonly used horse dewormer there is. The thing is, if you don't have big dogs or quite a few dogs, the amount needed for a dog is sooo tiny, 1 container would literally last 10 years, if the shelf life wasn't less than 2 years. However, ivermectin is also a leading cause of debilitating and sometimes fatal reactions in certain breeds of dogs, including collies and shelties. So what works for some animals doesn't work for others. BTW you said you use proheart, my eyebrows went up at that, I have heard SOOOOOOO many bad things about that product killing dogs it's not even funny. And this is from people on the 'show circuit', people who show their dogs at shows nationwide. Apparnetly having that much medicine is just too much. I will never use it.
Luckily I havent had any problems with the proheart. My dogs are due in June so I will probably switch back to heartgard. I have just lately heard some of the things you are talking about with the proheart. Thanks
If I could jump in for a second...The Ivermectrin is very effective stuff, not only for heartworms but for roundworms too. It does need to be used in STRICT moderation. The Strongid she spoke of IS a horse wormer...but they have different kinds. Ask her which. She SHOULD be using the Strongid T, if it's something else then she is using straight horsewormer and not the canine version. She should also be using Panacur (also a horse wormer but there IS a dog version here too). Panacur is virtually the best wormer available for Hookworms. These three wormers used correctly will eliminate almost all parasites in a dog's system. To all potential puppy buyers: I would suggest requesting a Fecal be done on any pup you are going to buy-before it leaves the breeder. Most breeders will provide a Health certificate that is filled out by their vet, and it's not that much trouble to do this. :-)
I have been using Ivomectrin for YEARS AND YEARS! one tenth of a cc for every 10 pounds. It is not like you give (BTW it is labeled for cattle/swine) a huge dose. Ivomectrin also cures demodectic mange. Can cure a dog that is infested with heartwroms ($50.00 as opposed to $400 at the vets office) Read your labels, you are giving it... just did not know it! Taylor
A horse is wormed on a 100lbs scale and dog is wormed on a 10lbs scale. My vet has okayed the use of horse wormer for my dogs. but you give the 100 lb dog the same as you would a 1000 lb horse. i have used ivemic, safegaurd, zimectrin and others for my dogs with no problem
OK, say that you have got and 800 lb apaloosa, and you have a...border collie. How are you suppost to figure that out? I mean, that is like 3 ounces per 35 lbs... Why go through all that wonderful crap when you can just use heartguard? weird.....
Easy, for most wormers it is done in cc. so for an 800lb Appie you use 8cc's and for an 80 lb dog you use 8cc. You worm a horse on a 100lb scale and a dog on a 10lb scale. When you get a wormer from your vet for a dog or horse they are dispensed in that scale.
I understand MSBOXERS, but it is just easier to use the dosage for dogs that you KNOW is right without worrying if you gave them too much. It just doesn't make sense to use horse wormer when you can just use dog wormer that is for dogs. It doesn't make sense.
You can give a dog horse wormers.It actually works better but you give the dog less of the horse wormer than you would dog wormer.Say if you give your dog 5 cc's then with the horse wormer you would only need about 3 cc's.My mom breeds german shepherds and we have two horses and we give the dogs the horse wormer too and it works quicker and morre effectively.
ok guys I talked to my vet and Ivomec 1% injectable for cattle/swine is what she told me to use. You can buy bottles that range from 50cc to 1000cc's. I purchased a 50cc bottle and it will last me one year. The dose is 0.1 or 1/10 of a cc per 10lbs. A 50lb dog would get 1/2 a cc, a 100lb dog would get 1 cc. and so on. Anyway she told me to make up some meatballs and inject them with the Ivomec and freeze them. Then once a month I thaw out meatballs for everyone and give them to them the same time every month. This is a very effective heartworm preventive. The only thing is that if you only have one or two dogs and they don't weigh much then it is a waste of time and money. Just thought I would let everyone know what the vet says about it.
That's right Scout. Our Vet mixes up a special Ear Mite Medicine that has Ivermectin, Isopropyl Alcohol, and ?? She won't tell us what's in it exactly (kinda like a cook doesn't reveal her recipes) but it works GREAT! I have heard from MinPin breeders that it also works well on clearing up the common puppy "Acne". Just put a little on a cottonball and rub over their forehead once a day. --PuPz
Everyone thinks the cost is the same NO IT'S NOT!Horse dewormer like panacur paste is usually $7.00 or so it treats a 1000lb. horse therefore it will do 10 100lb. dogs.Panacur granuals for dogs would cost much more .A 100lb dog would take 2 and a half boxes of the 4 grams granuals for 3 days at a cost of approx. close to $20.00 per 100 lb dog.When you have 7 German Shepherds that is alot more expensive than using a $7.00 tube of paste equine wormer.I have used it for 14 years and once a year I have a fecal test on all my dogs done and they are always worm free. No health problems either.I also use it on pregnant bitches with no problems . On puppies you adjust the dosage. We do all the dogs on a 3 day schedule and wait 14 days and repeat. This gets the rehatching eggs as they rehatch in 14 days if there are any left over eggs.I only use panacur never ivermectin because the panacur is much safer.
I have used the safegard/febendazole paste intended for horses for my dogs and even puppies. The results have been great. Total control of parasites. In the past my vet recommended the strongid paste for my Mastiffs again, great results. I used the Ivomec solution for a dog suffering from mange in three doses per my vet, worked fine. All of these applications were recomended and monitored by my vet. Be careful and only give the recomended dose suggested by your vet. Great alternative to same products labeled for dogs. Very reasonable.