my dog was born with red mange (demodex) and it was so bad people were saying i needed to have him put down. the dips at the vet werent working at all. then a different vet suggested that i use IVERMECTIN. he said it was an unapproved method but it was the only thing that worked. my dog is now 8 and super healthy.
We have a 20 pound 4 year old pug that I found what I think is round worms in her poop today. We can't afford a trip to the vet right now. We give her heartguard monthly in the brown cookie looking way. Can anyone reccommend me a good Liquid de wormer to get her on?
This is a really old thread, but the fact that it came up for me on a google search means others may still be hitting on it too. And hopefully, you'll read this far down in the exchange... because some of the stuff posted above is frighteningly erroneous. The ivermectin dosage for dogs is .0015 to .003mg per EACH pound of dogs weight. The ivermectin dosage for horses is .1mg (point one, as in one tenth of a milligram) per EACH pound of the horse's weight. This is a HUGE difference. Horses can take a lot more ivermectin PER POUND of their own weight than dogs can. Different species, TOTALLY different ratios of drug/body weight. I DO use horse ivermectin paste for my dogs, because I worm eleven horses and there is always a fraction left in each horse wormer tube. It only takes a half-a-pea-size amount, smeared on your pinkie, to worm a medium or large dog. But don't take my word for it... type in "equine dosage chart ivermectin" and "canine dosage chart" in a couple of google searches. Don't just look at forums like this one and listen to idiots!! That person who was using a pound to pound thing with appaloosas and boxers or whatever... I'm not sure how her dogs didn't die! Dogs are MORE sensitive than horses PER pound of body weight, so you definitely aren't going to want to give a 10lb dog the amount of wormer that a 100lb horse would get! That is nuts! Anyway, like I said, don't take my word for it... go to a VET website of ivermectin DOSAGE charts and do the math yourself. Please don't just read what other laymen are doing and assume they know what they are talking about!
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I sincerely hope you're not calling ME names. I feel what you said was rude and uncalled for. I have used this ratio of 1/10 cc per 10 pounds of body weight for years (my vet is aware)...all dogs happy, healthy and NO worms!!!
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Hi I hope somebody that can answer my questions is still monitoring this thread! Or someone can point me to a thread that can? First, will the ivermectrin treat ALL types of worms in dogs, I've seen "roundworms", and "heartworms" in these threads, what about hookworms, whipworms, and tapeworms? Does it also prevent parasite infestations? if used reguarily? I also I am not understanding the dosage thing here either, I have a 20 pound Boston Terrier, so I would use 2 cc's of Ivermectrin? And FINALLY, lol, can this be used on cats? Or is there something similar that can be used on cats? I hope somebody can help? I am in the process of looking for worm medicine for my animals now, and need some good ideas. Thank you!
Has anyone used ivermection on their border collies and had good results? I have boxers and border collies along with a bloodhound, beagle, gsd, minature daxie and lab. So I was wondering if I could use it on the bc's. I have used other horse dewormers on them just not ivermection.
No, Ivermectin should not be used on Border Collies or German Shepherds. They are cosidered herding breeds, and can cary the MDR1 gene. I have Aussies, so I like to use Sentinel or Interceptor for Heartworm meds.
Animals, what animals? My children just have alot of hair!
I recently gave my dog the "appropriate dose" of this horse ivermectin to prevent heartworms and 12 hours later he was completely blind and partially paralyzed, he had major toxic shock and spent 4 days at the vet with an IV rehabilitating. This is VERY VERY VERY dangerous and I highly recommend purchasing the heartworm tablets from the vet, it maybe the more expensive way out but it is well worth it. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not give your dog anything but the heart worming pill. Per my vet the liquid and the paste wormers are 200 times the strength of the pill even if measured to their appropriate weight.
WoW! I am so sorry this happened and I hope your baby gets better soon.
May I ask the breed of your dog, as well as the age, please?
I have used Ivomec for many years for my English Bully, as well as my Boston Terriers and after I knock on my hubby's head, I'll go on to say that I've never had any problems of any kind using it.
Ivomec cannot be given to herding breeds, puppies under 16 weeks (or 4 months) of age and the dog must be heartworm negative before administering the medicine.
1/10 cc per 10 pounds of body weight is a very small dose. In my Bostons, I typically just put 2-3 drops on their food. My Bully is about 70 pounds so I give him 0.5 cc on a syringe.
My vet is well aware of what I give, when I give it and how much I give. The wrong dose can cause death. The most common problem with Ivomec is people do not understand the difference in 1/10cc and 1 full cc...there is a HUGE difference and on a dog less than 20 pounds, 2-3 drops is sufficient.
Sorry you had a bad experience and best wishes to your recovering baby!
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I am new here but just read this thread and hoped to be of some help for those who are frightened of the ivomec liquid (labeled for cattle). I have owned Italian Greyhounds and Greyhounds for 14 years- we have done rescue and sometimes have 12 or more dogs- when people say, " Why not just use Heartguard??" Well, because for $50 I can worm all my dogs each month for over a year or pay 10? times that for Heartguard??? I need that money. The amount that has been listed is correct- 1/10 of a cc per 10 lbs. It is a TINY AMOUNT- we put green food coloring in it to ensure that we can see it by the correct line. IGs and Greyhounds are very sensitive dogs and I have NEVER ever had a bad reaction- even one time (one time in 14 years I messed up and doubled the dose and called my vet convinced I was going see all my dogs die and she said, " Anne, you would have to give a huge amount of it to kill the dog- so don't worry." She was right- the dogs didn't even have tummy aches or vomit. So............ my point it- I believe that it is breed specific. Border collies, collies, and any dog that has that DNA in it can be VERY ADVERSELY AFFECTED, so if I had one of those breeds, I would not worm them with this. That said, 2 drops in each ear kills ear mites with one or two doses as opposed to the greasy Tresaderm that you have to use for TEN DAYS. Holy crap- do you know how hard it is to give a dog ear drops for ten days??? By day two, they are OVER IT and you are wearing Tresaderm. Same goes for panacur- I have bought the 5 lb bucket of granules for $100 and it works great but you have to dose for three days. A tiny bit the size of a pea of the horse paste kills the worms and has no ill effects on my dogs, in 14 years. The other thing I was going to say is that you can put FOOD GRADE diatomaceous earth on your dogs fur for fleas, in your grass, on your carpets and feed it to the dogs- there is a wolf sanctuary that uses it for flea control and worms and they have no fleas on their wolves on FIFTY ACRES. But it must be food grade. It is a light grey dust that is similar in texture to baby powder, but it sticks more to your hands. It doesn't smell bad- smells like earth or dirt, which it IS. My dogs won't eat it. But I do use it in the yard. I hope if any of you have questions you will contact me, I am not a vet, but I know how to do things much cheaper and just as effectively. Frontline, Comfortis, Advantage can ALL be dosed down for larger amts of dogs- my husband is a pharmacist so it takes a bit of calcualating but I buy the Frontline for the 132 lb dogs and one vial treats 6 of my Igs. So 2 vials and all my dogs have flea control for a month as opposed to using 12 vials of the IG size frontline. I'd be glad to help anyone figure that out if you have more than 4 dogs. :) Anne
The 1/10 cc per 10 lbs of ivomec dosage is correct. My vet actually sells it to his breeder/trainer/rescue clients. He knows some of us don't need a whole bottle. And he knows all of us can't afford to pay the fortune it would be for those of us with a large amount of dogs to keep them on the other stuff.
It's also interesting how labeling of a product makes a difference in cost. Same active ingredient, but because it's for dogs, it costs more, because of course, there are MORE people out there to buy it. Look at Rescue Remedy. Buy the bottle labeled for PET use, and it costs sometimes twice as much as going to the health food store and buying the EXACT same product, but with a box marketed for PEOPLE.
as for the vet who mixes the ear mite mixture....I wonder if her secret ingredient isn't something like tea-tree oil. I make up a mixture of pure aloe vera juice, grape seed oil and a few drops of tea-tree oil...works really well for mites and mange. Sometime I add a little witch hazel or eucalyptus.
I have Danes and give mine horse wormer as well since they are all over 100 lbs and I have 8 adults so I can use one tube every month and it only cost me $6.00 where if I was to buy Heartgard it would cost me about $600-$800 for June thru Nov.The horse wormer has 1 thru 12 number and each is for 100lbs.
The 1/10 cc of Ivomec per 10 lb. of dog MAY be effective and safe, but it is NOT AT ALL equivalent to the dosage found in Heartguard! I couldn't find the info on the Ivomec page, but all of the online retailers who sell it indicate in the product information that there are 10 mg (milligrams) of the active ingredient ivermectin in each ml (milliliter) of Ivomec. One ml is equivalent to 1 cc. One mg is equivalent to 1000 mcg. That means each cc of Ivomec contains 10,000 mcg of ivermectin. So 1/10 cc of Ivomec contains 1000 mcg of ivermectin. According to the website of the makers of Heartguard, there are only 272 mcg (micrograms) of ivermectin in the tablet intended for 51-100 lb. dogs. That means that the dose being recommended PER 10 LBS. of dog is roughly FOUR times the dose found in an ENTIRE heartguard tablet for a 51-100 lb. dog! If you were to give a 100 lb. dog 1/10 cc of Ivomec per 10 lbs., you would give them 1 cc. That contains 10,000 mcg, roughly 37 times the dose in the Heartguard chew for that dog's weight. Yikes! I'm not saying it isn't safe, because apparently veterinarians are recommending it and some people have been doing it for years without damage. But even though the active ingredient is the same, the dosage is WAAAAYYYYY different! If you were to go by the Heartguard guidelines and assume that 272 mcg is effective at preventing heartworms in a 100 lb. dog, then you would need 27.2 mcg of ivermectin per 10 lbs. of dog. That works out to .00272 cc of Ivomec per 10 lbs. of dog, rather than .1 cc. It's hard to do the measuring at that level- no syringes that I know of to measure units that small! What I do is this... My three labs are all within the 51-100 lb. range, so I use the dose that is in the largest size of Heartguard- 272 mcg. I get this dose by mixing 1 cc of Ivomec with 9 cc of "filler". (I use Dyne High Energy supplement, b/c the dogs think it's yummy.) This gives me a solution that has 10,000 mcg of ivermectin in 10 cc, or 1000 mcg in 1 cc. Then I use a 1 cc syringe with 1/10 increments to measure out .272 cc of the solution. Of course it's not accurate, because its such a small measurement, but I try to get it just under the .3 cc mark on the syringe. Apparently it's not going to hurt them if I accidentally give them a tiny bit too much! For dogs in the other weight ranges used by Heartguard, the equivalent doses of this solution would be as follows: 26-50 lbs.: 136 mcg or .136 cc up to 25 lbs.: 68 mcg or .068 cc
Heartgard doesn't dose dogs to exact body weight, instead using up to 25 lb, 26-50 lb, and 51-100 brackets, so we're not talking about an exact science to begin with here. The Heartgard dosage for a dog between 51-100 lbs contains 272mcg of Ivermectin. There are 1000 mcg in a ml/cc. 272 divided by 1000 = .272 which works out to be a little over a quarter of a cc of Ivermectin in the Heartgard pill for 51-100 lb dogs.
Once again, notice that if you are giving your dogs Heartgard you are giving the same amount of Ivermectin to a 51 pound dog that you are giving to a dog twice its size. It is extremely hard, if not nearly impossible to overdose a dog on Ivermectin unless you have a herding dog or a dog with advanced heartworms. Even then Hartgard's own product info sheet says, "Heartgard demonstrated no signs of toxicity at 10 times the recommended dose in sensitive collies.". If you can give a dog that is allergic to the medication 10 times the proper dose with no side effect, a non allergic dog doesn't have much to worry about.