I love this topic, I used to work for SafeGuard in the mid 1980's when Ivomec first came out. Yes, showing my age, in the cattle industry. SafeGuard is the same as Panacur and I had several goat and sheep people that Panacur was approved for, but SafeGuard was not use the SafeGuard. Fenbendazole, the ingredient, is actually used for people in third world countries, with the same concentration (I would taste it in demos)and the safety level is at least 10x the dosage. Hence the name SafeGuard.
I also heard breeders that use the Ivomec also, there were reactions, the collies of course, and those animals that had high parasite loads. Rural country vets would write out a formula, much like what has been posted here, for kennels to mix their own. If a kennel had been on a regular treatment regime then there was no problem, populations were low. Can you imagine a dog in with a gut full of worms, and the worms all dying at once, some parasite put out a toxin when they are dying and while a little won't have an effect, a lot can be fatal.
Kennels and breeders with a lot of dogs can't afford the single animal dosing products. They will buy online at places like www.petandkennelsupply.com Since they cater to kennel customers their prices are lower.
Private dog owners that are not pet professionals and many times don't have the education background to use these medications properly.
pimpernal- The horse wormer, Ivomec, is 1% ivermectin. According to the package, it contains 10mg of the active ingredient ivermectin per ml or cc. That means each cc contains 10,000mcg, not 1000mcg. So 1/4 of a cc contains 2500mcg, not 250mcg. The 1/4 cc doseage you suggested is still 10x the dose in Heartguard's large chew.
HI, i have a yellow lab 17 months old and would like to know how many grams of panacur horse paste to give him. He has been having respiratory problems and we did a bronchoscopy and that came up with high eosinophils in his lungs as well as low neutrophils. He also had a cbc with high 19% eosinophils.
the prednisone doesnt seem to be working so the vet told me I could give him panacur but they want 85.00 for 3 days and for lung worms or flukes you need them on it for 10 days. can anyone tell me what the corrrect dosage of the panacur paste would be? A dog trainer friend said 8 grams but I just want to be sure. My vet refused to give me any information. thank you for any help
Ok. i really am not familar with any of this. My dog had puppies and after cleaning up their poop, they have roundworm. I need to treat 5 puppies about 7 lbs each, there are lab/boxer/pit mix. I have a full grown 5 yr old lab about 80-90 lbs and the mom which is about 5 years and is 35-45 lbs. As well as a 4.5 lbs chihuahua. What can I use to treat everyone at a reasonable cost. I have read all about using horse wormer, but giving the wrong dose to any of my dogs and hurting them is not an option, but I am not spending over $100 for all of this. I just found out today, and will not be able to contact my vet till Monday. Not to mention I have two small children and I believe this is a worm that can be contracted to us. I am extremely concerned. Please if anyone can help me before Monday so I know where to go or if I can go to tractor supply tomorrow and get what I need. before dragging 8 dogs to the vet and 2 kids to the doctor as well as myself and husband. This could get very expensive. Thanks for your help..
If you order from Revival Animal Health company on the internet, they WILL give you the dosages for all the wormers that they sell you. They have records though and you have to buy it directly from them. For roundworms in small puppies I would just use Safeguard. I don't start Ivermectin products until they are at least 16 weeks old.
By the way the horse paste is much different and STRONGER than the 1% pig injectible (which can be given orally).
I about killed a litter of 6 week old Boxers one time, by just giving them no more than a drop on their tongues. About an hour later they couldn't even walk for about 12 hours. Never again.
I used properly dosed liquid Ivermectin. For people using it for small breeds or puppies, you probably also want to purchase proplyene glycol to mix down the dosage to a safe level.
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does anyone know if ivermectin is safe for Jack Russel Terrier. I saw one post whe quoted his VET as saying not to use is on dogs with white feet. My JR has 4 of them. i have not seen any other warnings about terriers Only Collie breeds. ?!. I am still recovering from both my wife and I getting pink slips so I have to get away from the gouging of the monthly over the counter meds.
OK I hav read this entire thread and people are definitely hitting on this thread via google searches, etc, just as I did.
First let us remember something called common sense. I see some people wanting to dose little puppies and jack russells with horse-strength wormer.
If you need to save money, ( and I surely understand that concept) then do your dog and you a favor and get the large breed dosage meant for dogs..use that on your jack russell by splitting it in fourths (or tenths or whatever....you do the math) and it will be a paltry few bucks per dose, yet will last you months.
For the lady with the puppies, you can buy a liquid ivermectin made specifically for puppies and the whole bottle will be under $20, maybe. That will treat them all for weeks. Don't risk the horse wormer option though, ~please~ with such small pets.
For the other lady that I think is over-reacting.. understand that the horse wormer suggestion (as I read it) was intended for people who hav many animals, and larger ones at that. I personally hav germans and belgians and buying revolution and drontal is thousands. I don't take my pet ownership lightly. I hav my dogs for life.. (different to some who will hav a new puppy every 2 years), and again I will refer to ~common sense~. I would no more try to drive an 18 wheeler in order to save money for delivering my groceries..because to me, that is too much dangerous risk involved. We hav to realize there's accountability for our actions and we can't just go dosing irresponsibly if we hav not ASSUREDLY familiarized ourselves carefully and double-checking, triple-checking, and even sounding it off of an expert (vet), which is wha any prudent person would do.
With that said, I will tell you that I am comfortable with this solution though.. I grew up on a 400-acre cattle ranch and we wormed ~all~ of our cattle ourselves. We sprayed them, fed them, ear-tagged them.. heck, I know how to castrate a calf with a pen knife! I will tell say that akin to the other gentlemans comment, it wasn't just 50 acres, it was our entire ranch which virtually had no fleas, ticks, army worms, etc in almost 2 decades. When you live that lifestyle you learn to do alot of things yourself, including butchering your own venison, wild boar, etc. This might seem harsh to some urban dwellers, but I also know that (that) steak you eat doesn't come from the styrofoam plate in the grocery store...
It's late and I am probably not as fluent as I'd like to be.. but we are talking apples and oranges here. It's what you are comfortable doing.. but also accepting the true ~responsibility~ for your actions. I personally will check and double check, and then probably under-dose just to see how my dogs will tolerate it..but please do not mistake that these are wonderful people here giving sound advice..anyone who doesn't double-check detailed information from the internet though, is acting irresponsibly. I mean are we talking how to unclog the toilet? No.. a pets life is at stake and checking one's information, again, is common sense for many who hav posted here. So maybe your caution, of course in the right context, is a good thing, but to over-react by instructing people what they should an should not do, is not warranted, and not your place. The woman who said she wormed her dogs is being prudent and thoughtful for her pets by diligently de-worming them. She was giving information to help, and yes a caution about it is the right thing to do.. however, to chastise her, is not.
I want to leave saying to Joanna.. what wonderful words you wrote. Also to the guy who has the greyhounds..such understanding and I am personally grateful you took the time.
Lastly, the word "understanding" that I wrote *does* apply here.. please try and give the tone I send this to you with as one of genuine understanding, and of learning.. we are all in this together, sweeti..so a word of caution, sure.. why not.. but remember we are all accountable for the claims we make.
I have 3 Briards, used to raise/show them but now mine are retired. Since living on a farm we have battled sarcoptic mange a few times. Taking them to the vet was OMG spendy as heck! I decided to do a lot of research and found that the horse ivermectin was the same as what we'd buy for a dog only the dog formula is way spendy. Ridiculously! After the 1st bout and all 3 dogs getting it.. my vet bill was huge. The next bout was minimal with my 5 yr old bitch (65 lbs).. she had a small spot on her cheek I discovered one day so I took out my cheap horse ivermectin, drew up a little more than a pea size... put it on her tongue and took the same size and wiped it on the mange spot topically after thoroughly cleaning and drying the area. A few days later it was completely gone! A year later my 4 yr old male (85 lbs) came up with a spot on his cheek. I did the same thing.. gave him a little more than a pea size.. but tad more than for my girl.... cleansed the area well and dried it... applied it topically as well... and wah lah.... it did the job. It's ridiculous that anything for a DOG should have such a ridiculous price tag on it. I can buy a syringe of Ivermectin for 6.00, but to treat just one of my dogs I'd have to buy almost 2 or 3 boxes costing me close to 30.00 bucks. Again.. ridiculous!!
I've been giving the paste horse wormer to my 3 Jack Russells for almost 14 years and have never had a problem. Years ago, Foster & Smith even had a newsletter out on it but they don't endorse doing that anymore so I couldn't find it on their site. It's just a tiny, tiny bit that I've been giving them and all three are all different weights, as JRTs are.... 22 pounds, 19 pounds and 13 pounds. I'd talk to your vet though first if you're concerned.
I have had dogs all my life and I've always used the horse dewormers instead of Heartguard. On one hand, Heartguard is very expensive where as the horse stuff is much cheaper, and on the other hand, it is a convenience since I already have horses and all I have to do is use the right amount for my dogs. The active ingredients are identical as the ones in the horse dewormers, so why not use it. The only difference is that the vets are not too happy about this "deal" since they can't sell us their stuff!!!
I have an old english bulldog. When she was 7 months old she developed localized demodex mange. I bred her myself and her mother and none of her siblings had or ever developed mange. I believe that something lowered her immune system for a period of time, maybe a virus. Anyways, I did a lot of research and I have horses. I tried the borax and peroxide and it did not help. I then purchased a tube of horse dewormer. I chose a brand with Ivermectin in it, such as Bimectin. My bulldog was 40 pounds at the time. Her mange was not itchy and had no secondary infections present. I treated her with a bit of bimectin (the size of a green pea) smeared at the back of her tongue, every other day for 30 days. Her hair has now grown back and there is no sign of a recurrence. This treatment could be fatal for some breeds of the herding variety. I tested her first with a very small amount and watched overnight for any reaction. Just thought I'd share this. I should mention that a couple of times I also smeared the horse wormer cream lightly on the spots. Whether or not that had any effect I have no idea. My dog is now a year and 3 months old and her hair has completely grown back.
This is an extremely helpful forum/thread. One question though is that I read about the cautions for herding breeds. What about sporting/working dogs? I have a Siberian Husky kennel and would love to use this option.
Chilliepepper, you shouldn't give border collie's ivermectin anyway. They are in the collie family and the collie family can't tolerate ivermectin as well as other antiparasitics. Giving this to a dog in the collie family could be lethal.
Hi, new to the forum. I sumbled across it in a frantic search for information on dewormers that can be used on dogs that will eliminate or prevent worms that dogs can pick up from sheep.
We just got some beautiful sheep recently. Sheep are bad at carrying worms which get distributed over the property for reinfestation. We know how and when to deworm the sheep but i also have 2 black lab boys that are farm dogs and live with the sheep as Guardian Dogs. Yes, lol, our Labradors are guardian dogs. I know, it is a really odd thing but my lab boys are naturals at it and stick to the sheep like part of the flock. Problem i have noticed, is that the dogs also love to eat the sheeps poop pellets. I can't stop the dogs from eating the sheep poop so i need to find a dewormer that i can give the dogs so they aren't sick with the worms year round.
Any farmers out there that can share farm dog dewormer info?