The AKC will not register a litter where the dam was less than 8 months old when the breeding took place, or the sire was less than 7 months old. That said it is really wrong to breed dogs that young, very poor quality dogs that shouldn't be bred at all. You should be ashamed of yourself, your not a breeder, your a reproducer for bucks, a puppy pimp, I pity your poor dogs
Wow and the truth comes out..... Well before the member had put up her website advertising them for sale (that's what it sounded like to me) I didn't respond b/c I figured it would be off soon b/c the mods would see it... (Its a pretty good website with lots of pics though)
Sometimes I think AKC is wacky for some of the regulations that they have but I'm starting to see why they do the things that they do....
I would like to thank everyone for giving such great information I've learned so much thanks to you all.... Sorry I'm in a sappy mood....
First off I only sell my pups as pets. Only do I sell anydogs with full registrations to close known friends. Second the pedigree for red is really the pedigree for her daughter daisey and she won't be bred for another year. Second The sire is a year old a 11 month to a year when bred. There is no exavt date to start breeding males you have to watch them and see if they are mature enough. And yes dog are refered to as show stock all the time. And I only have a couple of pups a year. You guys otta stop being so doggon snooty and on your high horses. This forum is not about animal its about whose the most righteous dog owners. I have been breeding dogs for years and never have had any problems with any of my breeding. I also breed only to improve my dogs the way I feel they should be improved. Get off you high horses
I have yet to meet a knowledgable breeder refer to their dogs as 'show stock'. Show quality, yes. Show stock, no. Cattle are stock. In addition, how can someone possibly know if their dogs are show quality or (show stock if thats the wording you choose) if they aren't showing their dogs in dog shows?
Most of the people here aren't dog breeders but we're certainly dog lovers. It just makes us cringe to see people breeding dogs at such young ages, when no health testing has been done on them out side of 'vet checked'. No OFA scores, CERF exams for eyes, etc.
And actually there's minimum ages recommended to breed both male and female dogs, becuase most health testing requires that the dog be at least 2 years old minimum.
***Edited By: Minniyar on 3/4/2006 11:51:11 AM*** Reason: add
So it makes you feel better to say the pedigree is her daughter's that isn't even 7 months old yet and you bred the mom again? Sound like a wonderful respectable breeder to me. Also I will continue to be snotty because you should NOT be breeding unless you are doing what is best for the bred. Having litters back to back which is what you are doing with Red is not for the betterment of the bred. I looked at your pedigrees and I am not impressed. I looked at you dogs and I am not impressed.
OH and one more thing....all of that black stuff on that whelping box is called DIRT....you might want to scrub it.
***Edited By: cschimizzi on 3/4/2006 11:56:04 AM*** Reason: sp
First off "MODERATOR" there are only recommended ages to breed. I only breed my females after there 3rd heat. Second my males mate @ 1 year or later. Third I also breed pigeons and other animals so "stock" is a very versitile word. Second who the heck do you think you are. How do you Know I havent just started working on my show line. Just because you have champ in your pedigrees doesn't mean you can just start showning your dogs. I start showing as soon as I am ready. Thank you guys for all your friendly advise. You accused puppy miller.
The bitch is not 7 months, thats her daughter's pedigree, not the mom's ( thank God) . FOXFUR, I would change that if I were you, and put the mom's pedigree with her picture, not her daughters. As far as the whelping box, I would clean it up and pull the nails so you don't have to get a tetnus(sp) shot while your helping the mom have all those pups. I know I sound mean, but I would delete that picture it looks really bad! Good luck with the pups.
Actually as far as the term show stock, we don't know how old foxfurlover is. I know the lady I bought my Yorkie from was in her mid 70's and she definately referred to the puppies she kept as show stock.
She did not live on a farm in any way. She only raised dogs and she has had show yorkies for well over 40 years. She has had and raised many Champions in that time. It amazes me how people jump on certian terms to make it seem like some one doesn't value their dogs.
Also it is not unheard of for again older breeders to breed back to back after their first breeding and then skip after that. It is actaully many older breeders (AND I'M NOT SAYING ALL SO SAVE YOUR EXAMPLES) using old breeding standards. Which everything he said he did would have been PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE 15 years ago before the internet made everyone a expert breeder--particularly pet owners.
Maybe if things were said in a nice constructive way instead of attacking, you could convince people to change. Instead of humiliating and attacking, then they just will never respond again.
Example of ineffective attacking'OH and one more thing....all of that black stuff on that whelping box is called DIRT....you might want to scrub it.'
Or example of helpful advice 'I see that you have an older whelping box, that could really collect bacteria if it is not cleaned regularly. I know that some people are using plastic tubs to whelp smaller breeds because they are easier to clean and sterilize'.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 3/7/2006 7:23:45 AM*** Reason: ad
Good points. I came to the sort of 'defense' of foxfurlover on another thread, but had not read this one...I will refrain from posting anymore, as I really don't know the whole story. This thread has me a little worried, so I will wait and see if he comes back to explain anything.