Hey everyone. I have been looking through some yorkie ads lately, and I have been finding some chocolate yorkies. Now besides the fact that they are saying RARE CHOCOLATE TEACUP YORKIES, they are saying they are AKC registered. Now most of know that using the words "RARE and TEACUP" is a form of attracting ignorant potential buyers into paying loads of money. However, as far as I know a chocolate yorkie cannot be registered by AKC. For all I know, things may have changed, but I doubt it for now. I will admit that I know nothing about these chocolate yorkies and if they can be registered or not. Some breeders will honestly tell you that they cannot be registered. Others are saying they can be registered. Now, I don't know if there are some other registries that will register them. Either way, I just wanted to see the feedback on this particular topic. Let me know. What do you think??????
Hello. Thanks! I was just wondering. I am actually going to call up an AKC representative tomorrow and ask myself. Some people are saying they cannot and some are saying it's possible. However these breeders are saying they are registered with AKC. I have heard of people registering "diluted" colored pups in a different color. For example, the chocolate yorkie could be registered as a black and tan. This way here, they have the actually AKC registration form. but it's for a black and tan pup not a chocolate pup. Either way, thanks and hope to see some more feedback coming. Thanks again!
Hi. Ok, thanks! I understand the part about them being eligible for registration with the AKC but not meeting the stand. However, you would actually rather register your dog with the UKC or APR??? That is interesting. I just choose the AKC due to personal preference. I am not familiar with the UCK, but I know alot of APR registered dogs were sold without papers and breeders register their dogs with APR to sell the pups with papers. This is what I heard, so I could be wrong. However, I would rather register my dogs with AKC. Why do you believe that a dog not meeting the standard shouldn't be bred? Either way, thanks!
Well I'm going to speak from a laymens stand-point because i'm not a breeder. My hubbie only deals with UKC because thats the registry that reconizes his coonhounds and they hold many of the competitions he trains his dogs for.
As far as not breedinga dog because they dont meet the standard....Breeders in general breed to improve the fine points of a dog, not to create new ones. To add faulty colors and lines to a breed can change a whole line of dogs into a totally differnt looking breed. Like English and American Cockers or German Shepherds bred here and over seas. It's just not in the best interest of a breed to be changed at a whim. The purpose of pure bred dogs is exactlly that...keeping them pure and to the standard unless your reason is to create new breeds.
I agree completely with what you are saying. The only reason I was asking if they could be registered was because I wanted to add a chocolate yorkie to my fam, however just with recognition with AKC, because all of my other dogs are AKC registered. Also, I personally prefer AKC. Also, I would not be breeding this chocolate yorkie. So I would not have to worry about disimproving the breed. I would like to make one point about your comment on "pure breds" though. I understand the essence of a pure bred. However, many purebreds have come into their own with the help of many breeds that were mixed etc etc etc. However, thank you for your time. All of you. I have found my answer. Thanks!!!!
I found this info: Genetics Of The Yorkshire Terrier Blue Born & Red/Chocolate Born Puppies The Yorkshire Terrier is genetically a Black/Tan (B/T) dog that turns blue later in life. The blue color is created at another loci by the GG or Gg genes. Whenever you have a dog born one color that turns blue later in life, it is the GG or Gg genes that cause this to happen.
Recently I received a call from someone asking about the blue born puppies. That was a real blast from the past. Hadn’t heard of anyone having blue born puppies in some years. When a dog is born blue it is different genes that effects that then the GG genes. The dd gene is what causes this at birth and the Yorkshire Terrier should only be carrying the DD. A blue born puppy will also have self colored pigment, such as blue nose. The DD gene is what allows them to be born Black/Tan. The upper case always means dominant and the lower case always means recessive. This is obviously a deep buried recessive that the animals are carrying that they have passed onto the resulting puppies. The breeds that are born blue are born with the dd gene, but in Yorkshire Terriers this should not be the situation to cause the blue coloring.
Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain. At that time the dog has to be humanely put down. I have heard of a couple that have lived a normal life, but I think there are very few that do. Do not be tempted to raise one of these as you are opening yourself to heartbreak, let alone what the dog will go through later in life.
The red or chocolate born are affected by the bb genes. The red or chocolate born, referred to as liver in some breeds will also have self colored pigment, such as red, chocolate or liver nose. The Yorkshire Terrier should only be carrying the dominant BB genes. I have not heard of health problems with the red/chocolate born puppies, like with the blue born puppies. Yet most of these situations occur with backyard breeders and puppy mills and they are not likely to share the history of problems with the show breeders. Once again this is a recessive being passed on to the puppies from the parents. This breeding should definitely not be repeated.
Blue born puppies and red/chocolate born puppies are not acceptable colors of the Yorkshire Terrier. The Yorkshire Terrier should only be born Black/Tan and later turn to a dark steel blue. The blue born puppies & red/chocolate born puppies are recessive colors being passed to the progeny and a repeat breeding should never occur. Puppies of these colors should not be sold as “rare colors”. Yes hopefully it is very rare to get them, but these are totally unacceptable colors and it’s not so much that they are rare, as that they are not true representatives of the breed. Do not be misled by unscrupulous breeders about these dogs. Makes one wonder if there is more in the background of these dogs then just Yorkshire Terriers. There is a backyard breeder in my area that has produced red born puppies & solid black born puppies in one litter. I have to assume that she does not really have a purebred Yorkie to have this happen. Another backyard breeder South of me sells her solid black ones as rare teddy bear Yorkies. One new owner was sent to me by her Vet because he told her the dog was definitely part black Poodle. When I saw the dog, there was no question that it was atleast half Poodle. Actually it looked nothing like a Yorkshire Terrier but entirely like a Poodle. She had all intentions of breeding this dog itself & had enough sense not to give me the AKC registration number for me to report it.
As concerned breeders we would only want to breed dogs that are producing the only acceptable color of the Yorkshire Terrier which is a Black/Tan puppy that as an adult dog will be blue and gold. As an owner or potential owner of the Yorkshire Terrier you should only want the blue and gold, because that is the Yorkshire Terrier. Any other color really makes it something other than a Yorkshire Terrier. As a breeder, you should not knowingly breed a dog that is producing such a known defect. The breed could shortly become other than what it is. For instance, the tri color Yorkies that are produced in some of Europe. This is not what a Yorkie should be. If you want a tri color dog then get a breed that should produce tri colors.
The standard layed down by the YTCA is very specific about the Yorkshire Terrier. It states the puppy should be born Black/Tan and change color to a Blue/Tan dog later in life. No where is it written that the dog should be born any other color than Black/Tan. Standards are written to protect our breeds. The blue born is a perfect example of why. The health problems associated with this color make it critical that we stick to the color the breed is suspose to be, which means being born Black/Tan and later changing to a Blue/Tan dog.
A further note to the above, after years of breeders improving on coat texture and skin, I believe we are seeing quite a number of blue borns go on to live normal lives without further problems, although extremely sparse coats. Would I buy one myself and take the chance, NO. Nor should the breeding take place again that produced it. If a breeder were giving away the puppy and you wanted to take a chance on it that is fine, but do not buy one.
I was talking to a breeder who had been breeding yorkies for a wile and then some how she ended up with one pup that was a silver blond color. She said the hair was so soft and she almost cryed when the vet said it would fall out. The dog is over a year old now and she said hes healthy and happy his skin is tender so he has to have a shirt when he goes out and needs more baths from the oil. But over all she said He was happy.
The vet never told her what it was or anything just that his hair would end up falling out. She decited to keep him to make sure it wouldnt cause other problems shes selling him now though.
Hello. Just an update. I was planning on getting a Chocolate or Parti Yorkie, but I do not agree with the pricing. However, if they were part of the standard, then it wouldn't be a big deal. But as a breeder, I am trying to produce happy, healthy, and standard-meeting pups. The whole point of breeding is to better the breed and bless others with great pups. I have decided to stick with the standard yorkies. I will be adding a standard male to the family as soon as possible. Thanks everyone for your help. However, I just wanted to see if Chocolates could be registered, and they can. That is all I wanted to know. Thanks again!!!
Hi; I'm willing to put myself out here as a responsible breeder of chocolate yorkshire terriers. My breeding stock is registered APRI / AKC and CKC pending. It is true that the colour is considered a fault and is disqualified from showing, which is a shame in my opinion.
It is true that the liver colour is recessive, just as is the case with any dog that is not black with brown eyes, or any other species for that matter. Just because a gene is dominant does not make it necessarily superior. Keep in mind that it is the intentional manipulation of such genes through breeding that creates ALL breed characteristics (size etc).
If showing is not important to you, choose a dog that is the colour you like best.
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I know the date on this post is old, but my experience. My aunt raised yorkies for some time. She did produce some chocolate yorkies, not intentionally. It was then found that the color mutation was consistant with a thyroid disorder. Please, please be careful when you insist on "rare" colors.
Pedigree indicates what an animal should be. Conformation indicates what an animal appears to be. But performance indicates what an animal actually is.
You can register a Chocolate Yorkie as AKC....the only thing is you can't use them as show dogs....so if you want to show them in dog shows they will not allow them in....AKC will only knowledge them as registered Yorkies....There is nothing wrong with the Chocolate Yorkies they are just as healthy as Traditional Yorkies...just they have different coloring fur and green eyes....I know I have a handsome male and he is wonderful....great temperament....very loving...and healthy.....I wouldn't call them "Rare"....I call them Beautiful and Unique....