Can anyone tell me if I need my AKC papers for anything or my puppies pedigree information? I purchased a purebreed chihuahua back in December, the breeder was suppose to send her AKC and Pedigree info but never did. She refuses to take my calls now so I feel like I will never get them. Does this matter? I do not plan on ever breeding her or anything she is strickly just our pet, but I feel like I am missing a piece of her. Just curious....Thanks
Hey. Well, this is just in my opinion. I believe the breeder that you bought your purebred Chi Chi from probably never even had AKC papers or pedigrees to begin with. However, I prefer to have AKC papers just for recognition and obviously if and when I breed. However, your Chi is just your pet, so I do not think you will be needing papers for much. You could try registering your pup with another registry, if you want. Hope this helps! Thanks!
AKC papers will probably not do anything for you unless you wanted to do some performance events in AKC events however, The breeder sold you a dog that is AKC registered (so we think) and its AKC's policy that all puppies and owners are entitled to their AKC paperwork. One thing they do offer is 60 days of Pet health insurance which is quite beneficial. Here is what you do. Write the AKC www.akc.org (contact akc) and tell them all the information you have on the breeder, date of birth of the litter etc.. if you have sire and dam info that will help. Tell them that this "breeder" is refusing to supply you with AKC paperwork for you puppy. Believe me they will either force her to give this to you or if you can supply enough info they will give you papers. Any breeder who would act this way deserves to be investigated.
***Edited By: beagles1 on 3/13/2006 12:45:30 PM*** Reason: spelling
you pay more for a chi with papers and if the seller sold you the dog with papers make sure you get them this breeder looks like a scammer you can contact akc if you have her name and ask if the litter was registered dont let her get away with this so will do it to someone else.
when we bought our first french bulldog, his AKC papers arrived about two weeks later. our second frenchies papers took about four months to get because they were FCI/RKF and came from russia. it should never take so long for you to recieve papers, unless she never had them to begin with. bottom line is you bought an AKC registered dog. were promised papers and havent gotten them. send her a registered letter that states that you want the papers that were promised to you at the time of purchase. in the meantime, contact the AKC and find out if the litter was registered. if she is selling pups that she is claiming are AKC registered, and they are not, that is fraud. you can sue for them or a monetary amount in the difference of the price of a registered verses unregistered pup.
Unless your showing or breeding than the papers arent worth the headache to try and get from the person who is obviouslly avoiding you. but if you have her name you could send her a certified letter stateing that she has so many days to send you papers with no questions asked or you will contact AKC and have her privliges revoked. I bet you'll get thier attention then. She should be reported though because breeders like her are what makes AKC less productive.
The AKC doesn’t get involve in situations like these. Their official policy is that the breeder is the only one who can give you the papers. If the breeder doesn't want to, then they can’t force her to give it to you. They will also not give the papers directly to you no matter what you tell them. Even if the breeder did give you the papers and you lost it, they will still not give you a replacement. They only deal with the litter owner. They may get involved when a fraud against them is committed, but not against the public. They consider it a legal matter between you and the breeder and will most likely suggest you’ll contact an attorney.
Small claim court may be your only recourse. You might get at least a portion of if not all of your money back if she cannot reg the litter. You might want to mention that in the letter too.
"The AKC doesn’t get involve in situations like these. Their official policy is that the breeder is the only one who can give you the papers. If the breeder doesn't want to, then they can’t force her to give it to you."
Oh yes they do! This is the only instance where they WILL become involved in a dispute. How do I know? Many years ago I sold a puppy to a supposed show home and since this person owed me money I held the papers until the final payment. Unfortunately back then (20 years ago) I wasn't smart enough to put it all in writing and I trusted this person. I refused the papers until I had payment and she wrote AKC and told them I would not supply the papers. Guess what? I got a letter in the mail telling me I had so many days to supply papers or that I could risk suspension unless I had something in writing.
AKC requires that unless there is a written contract or bill of sale that ALL papers go with the puppy and they will become involved with the parties to resolve it.
I want to thank all - you gave me great info. I probabaly will never need these papers, but it is the point of paying for a puppy which is to include numerous things such as her paperwork and never receive them. I will send her a registered letter like you have mentioned and see if that helps, if not I will try and see what happens with AKC directly. I do have alot of info on the breeder.....
Just for laughs, she supposedly sold her dogs, puppies and name to someone else who is now selling (under her same kennel name ) Why would she do that if she is a reputable breeder?
Again thanks to all - I am new to the forum but read alot of the posts, to all who offer great support and knowledge to people like me (1st time puppy owner) I think it is wonderful and educational. Thanks a bunch Trisha
beagles1, that is interesting. From my experience, they do their best to protect the breeder. Maybe their rules have changed in the last 20 years, or maybe the buyer was unusually persistent, persuasive and resourceful in his complaint which compelled them to get involved, but from my experience, these days it is nearly impossible to get them involved as ovemychi will find out soon enough.
You should have fought them on that and pointed out this rule about payment for papers when they threaten you with suspension.
“We do not countenance understandings or agreements that put a price on “papers.” If a person acquires a dog without papers, with the explicit understanding that papers will be furnished for payment of an additional amount of money, the buyer has, in effect, forfeited any rights to papers. If at some later date he decides he wants papers, the AKC can only advise him to go back to the seller to resolve the matter.“
I believe this rule could have been easily interpreted to your benefit and applied to your case.
Here are some more quotes from the AKC site which is what I have been hearing from them every time I tried to get them to help me with a dispute.
“The AKC does not and cannot enter into arbitration when an understanding between buyers, sellers, or co-owners goes wrong. The AKC will abide by the decision of the court if the case is litigated. We advise that all contracts be thoroughly examined and understood before the transaction is completed.”
“If you feel that you should be compensated for all or part of the purchase price of your dog, and if you are unable to resolve the matter with the seller, we can only recommend that you seek legal counsel to determine if you can obtain relief through civil channels. You may also wish to bring this matter to the attention of your local Better Business Bureau or Consumer Protection Service.”
Juno- thank you for sharing your quotes from AKC. I do however have a contract from my breeder stating what I was being charged $1100.00 and what it covered. Part of the coverage was AKC paperwork and Pedigree paper work on my puppy. I purchased the puppy when she was 12 weeks old, she is now 22 weeks old. It is not a matter of me deciding that I want them and her not sending them, they were suppose to ship with the dog and never did. Now she is avoiding me, which tells me she promised something she didn't have probably to make more money. Since this is my 1st puppy, I didn't really now the importantance of the paperwork and was wondering if I should continue to fight to get them. I love my dog with or without papers, but I like to get what I pay for and better yet would appreciate quality breeders since people like me put trust in them.
I had just emailed them last week about a co-owner dispute where I did have a signed contract and this was the response. ( clear as mud??)
Chapter 3, Section 6 of Rules Applying to Registration and Discipline states, in part:
"For the purpose of registering or refusing to register purebred dogs The American Kennel Club will recognize only such conditional sale or conditional stud agreements affecting the registration of purebred dogs as are in writing and are shown to have been brought to the attention of the applicant for registration. The American Kennel Club cannot recognize alleged conditional sale, conditional stud or other agreements not in writing which affect the registration of purebred dogs, until after the existence, construction and/or affect of the same shall have been determined by an action at law."
The only contracts that the AKC will enforce will be the withholding of AKC registration papers until a dog is paid for or altered, if the terms are clearly set out in the bill-of-sale and signed by all parties involved in the sale of the dog, this is required by our rules.
"If properly completed AKC registration papers are not supplied with the dog when it is shipped or delivered to someone else, the person delivering or shipping the dog must furnish the person acquiring the dog with a bill of sale or other signed memorandum giving all of the identifying information listed below. A promise of later identification is not acceptable.
For a Dog Not Yet Individually Registered Breed Sex and color and markings Date of birth Litter number (when available) Names and numbers of sire and dam Name of breeder Date sold or delivered
For a Registered Dog Breed Registered name Registration number Date sold or delivered
This identifying information must be supplied with the dog even though AKC papers are not yet available, and even to a person who takes the dog only for resale as an agent or on consignment, and the same information must be passed on by him when he disposes of it. (The only exception to this requirement is when there is a written agreement made between the parties when the dog is delivered specifying that registration papers are never to be given.)"
2) The position on ownership disputes is very similar to the position on contract disputes. It is the responsibility of the parties involved to resolve the dispute either amicably or by an action of law.