i think shock collars are really cruel(spelling) because you could just give them a squirt collar that squirts water at them and still stops them from doing it!what is the point in hurting a dog just to stop it doing something!and would you like to be shocked with electricity if you did something wrong.and what if an angry owner lost its patience with the dog and just kept shocking them!
***Edited By: cooldot on 4/7/2006 5:55:51 AM*** Reason: 4got something
An angry owner can upend a bottle of water into the dogs nose and drown them to.
Any tool can be abused.
Some dogs could care less abouta squirt in the face. I'm glad yours cares, but some people have dogs that do not. I even have cats you can spray down with a hose and it dosent phase them.
There is no one solution to every problem, and becuase you may dislike a method it does not mean its wrong.
What if someone with lets say a bulldog used your spuirt method. The dog required lots of shots directly in the face to stop it and once it stopped it wandered off. Now a side effect is a wet face which causes bacterial growth and before the novice owner knows the dog has a raging yeast infection in the folds of its face directly spurred on by being soaked several times a day.
Not a big deal sure, but things happen. There is not any one solution and many people who have had dogs who respond to shock collars would happily lend you the dog so that you could see what its like to deal with a dog of that hard headed nature.
And there are dogs who could care less if you burn smoking holes in their body with electric shocks. The shock collar does not always work.
Well, for one it depends on each dog. Sometimes the squirt collars, known as citronella collars do not work. And the shock collars are not electocuting them... it is more like when you shock yourself after rubbing your feet on carpet.
And people that get mad at a dog and shock it because they are angry should not be allowed to have a dog in the first place.
And you should really think about what you say, or feel the wrath of others.
Duchess... there's a difference between electric fence and the shock collars. One it's to keep in livestock and therefore at a higher level since they are so big. A shock collar is more like a "hey you, wake up" ouch for a minute thing.
Funny that this topic is here as just this morning I took it out and showed it to aisha. That's the thing, I simply just have to show her the hand held thingy and man does she ever start to listen.
It is not mean or cruel if you use it in a proper way. With Aisha I swear it took a couple of times and thats it but it is a quick fix to a problem for those of us who do not have 10 hours in a day to train and sit on top of a dog.
She normally is a good girl and is properly trained for the house. She has manners but sometimes gets carried away with Athena and needs to be reminded.
If I squirted Aisha with water she would simply beg for more. lol. She is a GSD and a little on the big side especially for a female and used on the right setting will not hurt her at all. She does not even need to wear the collar anymore she just see's it and she could win in agility lol.
Well, agreeing with other members, if the shock collars are used as they are intended, they are not cruel. A cruel person can abuse an animal with any device/object/liquid. Dozer, Dee and Lola would be thrilled if I used water to correct them! We actually have electric wire on top of our fence around out 5+ acres to keep the Newfs from jumping over it. We got a charger that is used for goats and lambs, which are about the same weight category (or smaller) as the dogs. We showed them the wire (marked with flags), then put thier chin on the wire so they got a slight jolt (the charge is intermittent, not constant like some fence), it got thier attention & we haven't had anyone jump the fence since! So, again, if used properly, it is a useful tool with training and containment. You definitely should do some more reseach before you make broad statements like that without showing both sides.
I dont htink they are cruel.I have never used o shock collar before.I have used an invisible fence collar and grabbed it without knwoing it was on and it did shock me but not that much.It made my finger tips numb for a few seconds and the noise is what made me scream more than the shock itself.
I have never heard of using a shock collar on a recall.Could someone explain how that works?
I don't think any of that stuff is cruel if used properly of course like the other members have said But if you aren't going to be using something like this properly you aren't really being a responsible dog owner and shouldn't be doing it or owning a dog b/c if you aren't going to take the time to educate yourself then you shouldn't be trying to educate a dog!
If you think shock collars are cruel, then don't use one. Not all dogs will respond to being squirted or sprayed with citronella. I have a VERY bullheaded, strong-willed and flat out stubborn wire fox terrier (22 lbs.) who will only respond to the shock collar, not treats, not pennies in a jar or anything else. I don't have the collar on her all the time, but every few months she needs a refresher to remind her of proper behavior. Maybe if I had been stricter with her as a puppy she would not need the collar. I have two mini schnauzer puppies who are being trained with a choke collar and have also had the pinch collar used on them, hopefully if I keep up with training, I won't need to use the shock collar, unless I want to advance them to off leash training. Believe me, some people think I am mean when I correct them using these collars, so I guess you can't please everyone.
"Duchess... there's a difference between electric fence and the shock collars. One it's to keep in livestock and therefore at a higher level since they are so big. A shock collar is more like a "hey you, wake up" ouch for a minute thing."
my sister has boxers. they dug under and climbed over their six foot fence. the shock collars are the only thing that kept them away from the fence. they have an acre of fenced backyard and even though they live in the country, the main road runs along one side of the property. a slight buzz from the collar is far less cruel than having them hit by a car and injured or killed.
Ditto to that. If it wasn't for the e-fence my dogs would've tried to jump or dig under a regular chain link. The e-fence keeps them in safe and sound. The shock on the collar is small . It's enough to remind them to stay within the boundries should they choose to ignore the beep first. Most of the times they don't even get close enough to the boundry line to even get shocked.Sometimes they can even be out side with out their collars ,like when roughhousing with one another.
I don't think an electric collar is cruel. To some people, it can be. On my GSD, the squirt bottle would not work because he loves water. But on my Chihuahua mix, it would work because she doesn't like water all that much.